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Subject: [Leica] The final gasp of MF film?
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:13:56 +0000
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I used 105mm on MF and 63mm for 35mm (360mm for 10"x8" and enlarged contact 
prints). The Kamm went when I got out of photography in 1997/8 (not 
developed a fim or print since then :-(). Yes a 8' column plus the height of 
the head requires high ceilings - mine was used in the corner of a studio 
which was in an old building (12' ceilings I think) in Clerkenwell (London).

john
________________________________________

Hi John,

Large format enlargers aren't the best for MF film.  "Well aligned"
across a 250+mm holder is inevitably less precise than across a >100mm
one.  That plus a diffusion head might be enough alone to lose that
very top 5-10% of resolution that would show you the difference
between the lenses.

The APO El-Nikkors were always special order items with breathtaking
prices.  The 105 is perfect for 6x6, although I found the Zeiss
Orthoplanar-S 60mm was better for 35mm film.

Do you still have/have access to the Kamm?  I bought a Durst 10x10
enlarger in 2010, but haven't used it yet.  I need a higher ceiling
[not joking].

Marty


On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> 
wrote:
> I don't remember APO in its name anyhow ;-) My negs were dry in glass 
> carriers (spotting in PhotoShop (or LR) is much preferable!) and it took 
> up 10"x10", mine had a diffuser (not cold cathode) head.
>
> john
> ________________________________________
>
>
> Interesting.  The Apo El-Nikkors were available from at least the
> 1970s, maybe earlier.  The two biggest factors I found in improving
> silver prints from MF and LF negatives was a really good lens and
> oil/wet mounting the negs - even if you're not using a physical
> unsharp mask.  Oil mounting is a total pain, but if you need to get
> all the detail that's on the neg onto the print, it's the only way to
> go.  But the light source needs to be matched to the negs - with a
> diffusion source it's not really worth bothering.  I have only heard
> of/read about the Kamm enlargers, I've never used one - but do know
> that they came with lots of different light sources).
>
> I don't print like that anymore, but for my own prints I prefer
> tonality to resolution and detail, and more than anything my time is
> limited.
>
> Marty
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> 
> wrote:
>> 20"x24" with El-Nikkor (I don't think APO lenses were out when I last 
>> printed in 1997) on Oriental Seagull with a 13" Kamm (well adjusted).
>>
>> john
>> ________________________________________
>>
>>
>> My guess is that you never noticed much difference when wet printing
>> either because you didn't enlarge enough, or your enlarging system had
>> enough factors to degrade the image quality (lens, alignment,
>> stability) to a point where they were about equivalent.
>>
>> _______________________________________________


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