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Subject: [Leica] OT (very) The Great Prostate Debate: Does ScreeningSave Lives?: Scientific American
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:39:47 -0600
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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
wrote:
>

>
> well put Sonny and so true.... especially where the disease is found in 
> 40% of men, but kills maybe 1 %.
>
> and
>
>
> This is precisely the dilemma,
>
> Steve


Centers for Disease Control has the figures for people who died.  Hard
to correlate those who were treated and did not die because they were.
   They don't give figures for people who were successfully treated
with chemo/hormone and radiation therapy.  I guess they are available,
but it is getting late in Louisiana.

When I die, causes will pretty sure not be prostate cancer, because,
for all practical purposes I don't have one anymore.

That sure skews your 1% figure.   If conservatively, 200,000 men had
successful treatment in some form, and I'll bet the figure is higher,
the question certainly changes.

Another issue, of course, is how many men started with relatively
benign prostate cancer, and had it spread beyond?

Aggressive cancer can move pretty rapidly to lymph glands and onward
to bones, and, there you go.


Overheard in autopsy:
"He died of  a heart attack while being treated for multiple myeloma;
oh, look! he seemed to also have prostate cancer."


Mortality

    Number of deaths from prostate cancer: 28,088
    Deaths per 100,000 males from prostate cancer: 18.5

Hospital inpatient care

    Number of prostatectomy procedures: 158,000



Regards,

Sonny
http://sonc.com/look/
Natchitoches, Louisiana

USA


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