Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/01/31

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Subject: [Leica] Photographic Freedom
From: lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:09:45 -0500
References: <CAFuU78d12dDLrZXsGjyRQPp8pfHzDyNo0tX55VwawKk7Ha4VOQ@mail.gmail.com> <CB4D88AE.19BC1%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Yep! My Contax G2 (I still use film) which looks really point and shooty
works great in Rockefeller Center.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
rabinergroup.com>wrote:

> Yes its not PHOTOGRAPHY which annoys the authorities often its
> PHOTOGRAPHERS. And even before digital its my understanding that photo
> journalists had little point and shoots in the bottom of their bags but not
> as a so called "back up"  But in situations where a small amateur camera is
> more digestible by the situation. So they are in effect passing as amateurs
> and people who shoot for fun are thought of as being non threatening to the
> powers that be.
> I'd say the powers that be are wrong.
> With a cell phone in every hand and a camera and video in every cell phone
> the powers that be have to watch it. Becuae they are being watched.
> Accountability has struck.
>
> --
> Mark R.
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/
>
>
> > From: Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:16:11 -0500
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Photographic Freedom
> >
> > The first amendment may be upheld in some courts, but it isn't on the
> > streets. I agree on the cell phone issue, but I've been to stop
> > photographing more than once because my equipment looks too professional
> or
> > commercial.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> The  privacy thing gets lots of play. Lots of mileage. Over here in the
> US
> >> its been a leading contender to the heavyweight champ the first
> amendment
> >> but for some odd reason the first amendment never looses a match. Even
> the
> >> so called right of privacy hype.
> >> I can of course mainly not speak for England but for the US of A of
> which
> >> I'm much more familiar despite hours of listening to the BBC and reading
> >> the
> >> entire oeuvre of John Le Carr?.  - and Benny Hill.
> >> Tonight I'm going to see Coriolanus.
> >>
> >> I'm encouraged by the cell phone users taking pix and movies of every
> >> darned
> >> thing as it happens. Keeps the governments in check.
> >> Politicians know people will NOT STAND for having any form of smart
> phone
> >> use toned down. The hearts and minds of the people lay in their smart
> >> phones. Something goes down. Its on the news in minutes. Democracy in
> >> action. I'm encouraged.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark R.
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:34:52 -0500
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Photographic Freedom
> >>>
> >>> I think you are wrong here, Mark. True, many pieces of legislation are
> >>> proposed for the purpose of currying favor with constituents and not
> for
> >>> their practical or legal value ... the anti-gay stuff coming out of NJ
> >>> right now is a pathetic
> >>> example. For photographers and photographs, however, the invasion of
> >>> privacy card pretty much trumps everything, and it's being selectively
> >>> enforced in lots of places. 70's style street photography was the best
> >> form
> >>> of social criticism and insight we've ever had, but this is out of
> favor
> >>> now. Even on this list, I'm sure that most of the members find the 70's
> >>> idea intrusive and opprobrious.
> >>>   I add, by way of contradiction, that I don't mind being asked for id
> by
> >>> city police. They are in a tough position and I know a number of them
> >>> personally.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
> >>> rabinergroup.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The purpose of such draconian proposals is not to get them passed. But
> >> to
> >>>> impress  a politicians constituents. Nobody really thinkgs the thing
> >> will
> >>>> pass or stay in place as a law very long.
> >>>> It gets votes and incurs favor to make sweeping hateful statements.
> >>>> For a decade now the easy ones to pick on are the photographers. We
> are
> >> the
> >>>> new monsters. Not Dracula, Frankenstein.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark R.
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Bob Shaw <rsphotoimages at comcast.net>
> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:04:18 -0800
> >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion <olympus at thomasclausen.net>, Nikon
> >>>> D1scussion
> >>>>> List <d1scussion at list.d1scussion.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Photographic Freedom
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Proclamation!
> >>>>
> >>>> Hopefully
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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In reply to: Message from lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz) ([Leica] Photographic Freedom)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Photographic Freedom)