Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/01/31

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Subject: [Leica] Rant!
From: images at (Tina Manley)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:48:15 -0500
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I feel exactly the same way about some of the "photographers" that Leica
promotes in their publicity material and workshops (except for Craig and
Ted!!)  It's depressing but we can't do anything about it.  Just keep
taking those beautiful wildlife photos that you do and know that you are
the best!


On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at>wrote:

> I went to a talk on Friday night on bird photography by a well-known
> wildlife photographer who is sponsored by one of the Big Two camera makers.
>  I won't mention names.  What a friggin waste of time & gasoline.  If I'd
> had to pay for parking I'd have demanded a refund.  His approach to
> wildlife photography is buy-the-longest-lens-you-can and
> buy-the-newest-and-fastest-(sponsor brand)-body-you-can, and he came across
> as the sponsor's paid spokesman (which he is).
> He said NOTHING about light except for how to use more flash, NOTHING
> about composition, color (except more is better), NOTHING about bird
> psycology or bird identification, except for hiring a bird guide (more on
> this after I stop seething).
> His photos were compositionally shallow and bland: no use of color or
> forms to give a sense of depth or to draw attention to the bird, hardly any
> discussion of the foreground or background except how to obliterate it.
>  The best I can say for his photos is that they show what the bird looks
> like.  Nothing about how it relates to its habitat.  Empty, shallow
> mainstream photos.  And the camera maker pays him to promote this and
> "teach" it to the unsuspecting wanna-bes.
> I'm still seething but I gotta get this out of my system:  He can't
> identify some really obvious western birds - and he's lived in the west
> most of his life.  He got Great Egret, Mountain Bluebird and Williamson's
> Sapsucker right but he showed a couple of captive raptors side-by-side,
> photos made at a rescue facility where he was TOLD what they are and he
> thought the birds in his photos were the same individual, when one was
> obviously a Prairie Falcon and the other was obviously a Buteo, probably a
> Red-tailed Hawk.  They didn't even have the same eye color.  He couldn't
> identify a Rail in one of his photos (fullframe, good light).  He had no
> idea if it was a Virginia Rail, a Clapper Rail or a King Rail.
> This is the crap that a major camera maker is promoting as wildlife
> photography.  This is what the sponsor has trained the unsuspecting
> consumer to think of as good wildlife photography.  Buy our stuff and you
> too can make these great photos.
> Grrrrrr grrrrrrr grrrrrr grrrrrrr grrrrrr grrrrrrr.
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
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Tina Manley, ASMP

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