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Subject: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:34:01 -0500
References: <CB1DDFD9.18281%mark@rabinergroup.com> <7664EEEA-F7F8-4C00-8950-74B3947D1A44@mac.com> <CA36A6CB0E2548689EDA259BA0918518@billHP> <73C281344DDF4920BDA7D4948DFA6AC4@syneticfeba505>

Ted -

Lightroom does not physically move your files anywhere.  They have to still
be on the hard drive that you imported them from.  If each gray square has
a question mark on it, that means LR cannot find the original file
location.  Click on the question mark and it will ask you if you want to
locate the files.  Then it's up to you to find the hard drive and
re-connect it to the computer.  Then you have to tell LR that's where the
files are.

It is possible to delete files through LR, but it will ask you several
times if you are sure you want to do that and if you only want to delete
them from the catalog or from the hard drive.  If you choose delete from
hard drive, that's the only way the files could disappear.  I hope you can
find them!

And what's this jpeg business??!!!  I thought we had convinced you that Raw
is the only way to go.  With jpegs you are working from a drugstore 3x5
print and throwing away your negatives!!  If you don't want to use LR, you
can convert the Raw files in Photoshop.

Good luck!

Tina

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:14 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Adam Bridge OFFERED:
>
>> This is seriously neat and means that your original file is ALWAYS
>>>>
>>> there to be edited in its original state.<<<<<<
>
> Hi Adam,
> That being the case how is it when I was shooting RAW and downloading into
> Lightroom. All had been going fine and I'd do the same routine everytime.
> WHEN ONE DAY????????
>
> All I had on screen was about 2000 or more nice looking grey coloured 35mm
> looking frames in the Lightroom folders / files?  Pictures? Images? Frames?
> NADA !!! Not one but blank grey 35mm frames.... Unfortunately lost some
> important stuff. :-(
>
> My immediate response??? Screw this LR stuff.... went back to shooting
> JPEG and using Photoshop and all has been perfect ever since.
>
> I keep hearing LIGHTROOM folks say.... "The images are in there you just
> have to find them!" Well OK I have looked in every conceivable click on
> spot..... same thing, " beautiful grey coloured 35mm blank frames!"
> Another? "OFFLINE OR MISSING!" Yeah right, they sure as hell are missing!
>
>  This is seriously neat and means that your original file is ALWAYS there
>>>> to be edited in its original state.<<<<
>>>>
>>>
> I can only offer...... "REALLY?" And where might I find them? I have found
> some in folders through the Photoshop system.. But hundreds of
> others??????????????? no where in site. If they were giving away the very
> best LR system for free I'd have doubts about taking it. Unfortunately when
> I read all the good & great stuff you fok are sayng about Light Room.
>
> cheers,
> ted
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
>
>
>  I'm not so sure I understand this non-destructive business. It is
>> supposed to be the end-all answer to our problems, and answer to a 
>> question
>> that seemed without an answer, and yet I've been doing the same thing for
>> years. Simple, really, before photoshopping a file, save it with a
>> different name, and do all you want to it, the original remains untouched.
>>
>> Oh well, I never said I was smart.
>>
>> Bill Pearce
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Bridge
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:01 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
>>
>> On thing not mentioned: Lightroom is entirely non-destructive to your
>> images. Everything it does is parametric - that is the changes are done on
>> the fly. This is seriously neat and means that your original file is 
>> ALWAYS
>> there to be edited in its original state.
>>
>> Photoshop doesn't do that unless you convert to smart filters.
>>
>> It's the creation of masks on the fly that is amazing inside Lightroom. I
>> have a bit of an inkling on how it does it, but I sure admire the 
>> engineers
>> who implemented those features.
>>
>> There are tasks that only Photoshop can do. If you need layers and
>> compositing then Lightroom isn't it - although you can do much before you
>> get to the point where you need those.
>>
>> I'm making these points, not to convince Mark that he's wrong, but simply
>> to bring out a fundamental and profound difference between the two 
>> software
>> environments.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>
>>  
>> http://mansurovs.com/**photoshop-vs-lightroom<http://mansurovs.com/photoshop-vs-lightroom>
>>> Here is a comparison.
>>> There are hundreds of others you could find in a minute.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Tina Manley, ASMP
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