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Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:58:48 -0800
References: <CB0E468E.17B25%mark@rabinergroup.com>

On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> The original st 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-D had a good rep among photographers
> it was replaced in 2003 by the  24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 VR  which had a bad
> reputation. It was soft had a huge amount of fall off and the first
> generation VR did not work all that great.
> But the current Nikon 24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S is second generation VR and its
> optical issues of the previous issue have all been addressed. Its a well
> thought of lens selling like hotcakes to all the smart people and some less
> smart.
> I don't think of as a do all lens I don't think the zoom range is all that
> wide and its not that much of a monster lens.
> its simplify extended from 24-85 to fit our current sensibilities and does
> what current optics can do.
> Its not the monster 28-300. Which may be an ok lens for what it is.
> 
> VR is a huge thing for your shooting when it works right and from all 
> anyone
> can tell it works perfectly on this current  24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S lens
> enabling amazing low light shooting. That on top of excrement current nikon
> optics to begin with.
> Nikon is an excellent optical company wand when it messes up it does not
> mess up for long. 
> With this current version of a key lens its got it right.


and thanks Rabs, for this helpful info,

Steve



> -- 
> Mark R.
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
> 
> 
>> From: Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:51:07 -0800
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
>> 
>> thanks much Jay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Steve Barbour
> 
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:33
>> PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> Yes. The AF-S
>> Nikkor 24-120 f4G ED VR, to give it its catalogue monicker,
> is a soft lens
>> with quite a bit of distortion at both ends. I bought it on
> specs without
>> trying it out, which I normally never do, which was an
> unforced error if ever
>> there was one. It is a lens that gives convenience
> at the cost of optical
>> quality, a bad trade off. IMHO, the older one (AF-S
> 24-85 f3.5-4.5G) is
>> lighter, more compact, less expensive and better
> performing, albeit in a
>> narrower zoom range. Both have AFS, and 'G' type
> lenses, but the older lens
>> does not have VR, which I have not found to be a
> material disadvantage in this
>> zoom range. It is going to stay on my D700 as
> my walk around, standard zoom
>> lens.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Steve Barbour
>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jayanand
>> Govindaraj wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> I find the old 24-85 f3.5 - 4.5G lens to be
>> superior in every way. Buying
>>> the latest version of the 24-120 (the f4
>> one)
>> 
>> 
>> is this the identical VR lens that Mark speaks of?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> was a big mistake - I am
>>> going to advertise and sell it this
>> weekend.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Mark
>> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I check B&H and find that
>> they sell a "kit" Nikon D700 SLR Digital
>> Camera
>>>> Kit with 24-120mm VR
>> Lens for $3,996.90 (and you'd think you'd have to
>> pay
>>>> Four Grand for
>> such a combo)
>>>> This is a lens I'd kill for.  The pix I'd do with one would
>> take no
>>>> prisoners. I'd never sleep.
>>>> The lens itself cost thirteen
>> hundred bucks and uses a 77mm filter.
>>>> Not real Leica like. But will do in
>> the interim.
>>>> 
>>>> And faster than a measly 700 millions miles an hour
>> too.
>>>> If that's as fast as I could ever go I'd get a tune up!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> --
>>>> Mark R.
>>>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users
>> Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:05:07 -0500
>>>>> 
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez
>> Bergdorf's window
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mine too.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark R.
>>>>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group
>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:23:20 -0600 (CST)
>>>>>> 
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High
>> Rez Bergdorf's window
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My D700 was lens free (No lens)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> Gene
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From:
>>>>>> "philippe.amard"
>> <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group"
>>>>>> 
>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:32:09 AM GMT
>> -06:00
>>>>>> US/Canada Central
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's
>> window
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 13 d?c.
>>>>>> 11 ? 01:36, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> That's a perk on the nikon vs. canon
>>>>>> lenses. Their kit glass
>> really
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> great specs. As long as you don't
>>>>>> bang them going
>> through a door out
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> whack. They look embarrassing but
>>>>>> they
>> make very good images. Though
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> not used one in over a
>> year
>>>>>> there is not kit glass for full frame.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I bought my D700
>> with the infamous
>>>>>> -free- 24-10 ; package by Nikon, Mark
>>>>> different
>> markets I guess
>>>>> Philippe
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was shooting this
>> thing on P so it was wide open which was 5.6 at
>>>>>> 20mm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> which
>> means everything front to back is sharp as hell. I could not
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> believe it. That's also an advantage to shooting cropped. Its ten
>>>>>> 
>> times
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> harder for me to get it all with my 24-85 full frame glass
>> which in
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> comparison weights a ton.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Mark
>> R.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> From: Jim Nichols
>>>>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>>>>>> Reply-To:
>> Leica Users Group
>>>>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011
>> 13:52:05 -0600
>>>>>>> To: Leica
>>>>>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's
>>>>>> window
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Very
>> nicely captured, Mark.  Nice to find a gem among the bargain
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> lenses.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>> -----
>> Original Message
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mark Rabiner"
>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users
>>>>>> Group"
>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:01 PM
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I
>> was going over
>>>>>> window's I'd shot Dec 12 2008 at Bergdorf's that
>>>>>>>> 
>> night and
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>> amazed by the detail and high quality so I checked
>> the
>>>>>>>> metadata to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> which of my real money Nikon glass
>> I'd shot it with. The 28 1.4 or
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>> 14 2.8.
>>>>>>>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/c4bmnog
>>>>>>>> It turned out the
>>>>>> be the lowly 99
>> dollar special 18.0-55.0 mm f/
>>>>>>>> 3.5-5.6 DX
>>>>>>>> non VR
>>>>>> which
>> you get when you click the sort  for cheaper at top
>>>>>>>> bottom on
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> the Adorama or B&H sites. Maybe Calumet.
>>>>>>>> So I left it at a much
>> higher
>>>>>> rez than 1200 pixels on the long
>>>>>>>> end so you
>>>>>>>> can
>> really see it when
>>>>>> you click the zoom in button on the LUG
>>>>>>>> 
>> gallery.
>>>>>>>> The iso was 400 so
>>>>>> there really was a lot of light in
>> these
>>>>>>>> window. And it
>>>>>>>> makes for
>>>>>> some real quality
>> images.
>>>>>>>> The windows at Bergdorf's  which are the best
>>>>>> I've ever
>> seen
>>>>>>>> anywhere have
>>>>>>>> not been as good the past three of
>>>>>> 
>> years.   09 and 10 and '11.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Mark R.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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