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Subject: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
From: charcot at comcast.net (charcot)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:01:29 -0700
References: <mailman.370.1321245687.1104.lug@leica-users.org> <4EC0CFFF.3080206@halcyon.com> <CAFuU78fmZZ_jv32m5Mc870WDAvkkY0PYFtbGrBmJzZ0b993hxw@mail.gmail.com> <ADAB0D96-8622-46D8-8D01-8EA8FA644776@ameritech.net> <CAFuU78euoWgeUfxDdpQX0j8TLO1L9Etd=yQVaj7h97uah7MxRg@mail.gmail.com> <51D27862-D6E4-4432-BC3D-53E7E80D98AD@ameritech.net>

  Well I made the plunge and bought a 400 ft roll.   Anyone have any 
idea of ISO and dev. times for HC110?

ernie

On 11/14/2011 8:56 AM, Dante Stella wrote:
> Where are you finding 100-150ft rolls?  That's the max size that fits the 
> mainstream 35mm units.  Are they short ends?  Or is there some massively 
> larger loader that take the 400-footers?
>
> Interesting on the coating; I looked this up, and they apparently use 
> *less* antihalo coating on the b/w cinema film than they do b/w still film.
>
> Best,
> Dante
>
> On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I haven't noticed any coatings. Nothing comes off in processing and the
>> negs are as clear as any other film I process. Fits in all my bulk loaders
>> ok, too. It does have motion picture sprocket holes, slightly different
>> from what we usually get for 35mm still film/cameras, but this hasn't
>> produced any problems running through my M's or Voigtlander's.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Dante Stella<dstella1 at 
>> ameritech.net>wrote:
>>
>>> And isn't it the same xx that has the nasty remjet coating and comes only
>>> in 400ft rolls? That size doesn't exactly drop into a Watson loader.
>>>
>>> Dante
>>>
>>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could you make a succinct statement re why you like the Edwal 12/XX 
>>>> combo
>>>> so much?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Larry Bullis<kingfisher at halcyon.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don Cardwell, Lee Lumkin, Thomas Bertilsson and myself did a continuing
>>>>> study on Edwal 12 a while back. XX was a film that I took on as my
>>> personal
>>>>> project. I sort of dropped it because the sole supplier "film emporium"
>>>>> couldn't seem to get it any more. Kodak supplying it in bulk? Very hard
>>> to
>>>>> imagine.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have pretty good data with this obscure, obsolete (!) chemistry
>>> with
>>>>> a pretty obscure, BUT entirely appropriate chemistry. Everyone has
>>>>> forgotten about this. I can tell you that it is amazing. But I can't
>>> show
>>>>> you much. Why? because IF words and images can say the same thing, one
>>> of
>>>>> them is lying. I do not maintain an online presence, but if you wish, I
>>>>> will attempt to put something up you might relate to.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone is really serious about pursuing this (and, I REALLY mean
>>>>> REALLY, I'm not interested in casual unless there's enough serious
>>> interest
>>>>> to support it) I would be interested in either creating a new group to
>>>>> study it, or, maybe more likely to bring additional research into the
>>>>> existing group. I can't speak for my dearly beloved fellows, but I 
>>>>> can't
>>>>> imagine them not rising to the concept, even though they may stop short
>>> of
>>>>> the densitometer. Don't worry, though. I have one or two of those awful
>>>>> arcane things, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think though that this film with this particular amazingly
>>>>> appropriate chemistry is something that surpasses any particular
>>> existing
>>>>> loyalties - especially given the way things are going right now. I 
>>>>> think
>>>>> that if we have interest in stuff like this, the time is RIGHT NOW to
>>>>> express that interest and create whatever body of research we possibly
>>> can.
>>>>> Otherwise it will go the way of that other XX - the super one, that I
>>> miss
>>>>> so desperately. It is time for us to speak up and demand that film
>>>>> persists. It is stupid to abandon a peak technology for something that
>>>>> can't replace it but could provide yet another viable medium.
>>> Photography
>>>>> as we knew it is like engraving was in 1860 right now. Looked at a
>>> dollar
>>>>> bill lately?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that you're going to find a better place to start. The
>>> film
>>>>> is wonderful. Do you like the 1960's aesthetic, as I do? The research
>>> team
>>>>> already at hand for the developer is a great place to start. At least,
>>> I'm
>>>>> ready to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> The film is one that we've all seen in the movies - but we're sure not
>>>>> seeing it any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> L
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/13/11 8:41 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:53:32 -0800
>>>>>> From: Richard Man<richard at richardmanphoto.**com<
>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't this the XX film? Phil Forrest gave me a roll (thanks!) in NYC,
>>> and
>>>>>> it does appear to be close to "old school" film. Of course I really
>>> don't
>>>>>> know much about old school film but it does the job competently, even
>>> in
>>>>>> this era of mixed analog/digital workflow. In the "Mark is sometimes
>>> right
>>>>>> even when he is wrong" department, I have settled on Acros 100 for
>>>>>> landscape at ISO100, TriX for people/landscape at ISO320 and low light
>>>>>> stuff of Neopan 1600 at ISO1000, all souped in the 2-bath Pyrocat-HD. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would gladly use the XX for Tri-X stuff but the Tri-X works so well
>>> that
>>>>>> there's hardly any need. I buy the Arista Premium from Freestyle which
>>> is
>>>>>> Tri-X for just over $3 a roll so the cost is not bad either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> This film c
>>>>>>>
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In reply to: Message from kingfisher at halcyon.com (Larry Bullis) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)
Message from lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)
Message from dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)
Message from lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)
Message from dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)