Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/11/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I agree with Philippe. Certainly, as soon as the photons hit the sensor or film, it's already different from reality. My original question really only meant to ask exactly what I asked, not to imply that what I saw is A Bad Thing. A little bit like when looking at an image of the Grand Canyon, one can't help but say, "Wow that's a .... big hole in the ground. Is it really that big?" :-) On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, philippe.amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>wrote: > Well, why try to remember? > > I wasn't there. And I like the photo you first presented. > > What matters is what you give us to see, not really what was there. > > Every photo is a "fake"; choice of gear, lens, angle, film, process, > colour, BW, screen, print, size of the previous two, etc. all influence the > results. > > You like it. > I like it. > So what's the problem? :-) > > Don't you worry Aram, you were lucky to be there, and only you saw what > you did ;-) > > And, to spin Adams's metaphor I'm thankful to you for performing this > unknown score for us, really. > > Amiti?s > Philippe > > > > Le 7 nov. 11 ? 19:01, Aram Langhans a ?crit : > > > I guess I should read all my digest before replying. Would save typing. >> :-) >> >> I do like exploring this question. How much of what I saw is part of >> what I want to convey about how I felt? The only objective references I >> have is the raw photos on my screen. Here is one of them: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/Half+** >> dome-8030-2.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/Half+dome-8030-2.jpg.html> >> >> It was taken at -2/3 EV and is in the middle of a series of photos I used >> to do the HDR. >> >> Here is that same photo with a bit of manipulation, including the >> lightroom split ND filter and some fill light. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/Half+** >> dome-8030.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/Half+dome-8030.jpg.html> >> >> It is more to what I remember, but not quite there. That is why I tried >> the HDR, but to me it is a bit too much beyond what I remember, but the >> above photo is too dull from what I remember. How much of what I remember >> is influenced by the thrill of seeing this wonderful reflection with a few >> clouds to boot I cannot say. The more I look at the HDR version the less >> I >> like it, and the more I look at the manipulated single frame the more I >> like it. As I said in a previous post, perhaps it is because >> traditionally >> the single frame manipulation is more familiar to what we (I) expect a >> photo to be able to show under such difficult lighting situations, so it >> looks more "natural" than the HDR. Maybe I am not skilled enough (No >> maybe >> about it) to use the HDR software to achieve what I "saw". I have used it >> before in not so drastic situations and no one has guessed it was HDR >> until >> I told them, so I know that subtlety can be achieved. I really dislike >> most of the HDR I see in magazines and on the web. Some is way over the >> top, but maybe the lesser ones are still influenced by what is familiar to >> me, which has always been a poor, but believable representation of >> reality. >> >> Thanks for all the comments. >> >> Aram >> >> ------------------------------**-------------------- >> From: "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:23 PM >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Sunset in Yosemite NOW with link >> >> AH, this is a very interesting question: >>> >>> *** >>> As for 'is this what you saw", I think the most important question is if >>> this is what you felt and want to convey. That's what really matters >>> (IMO). >>> *** >>> >>> We all change our image to closer our mind's eye sees, but the question >>> is >>> when is it too far. I do not know. >>> >>> I do not recall where a reflection is so much stronger than in this >>> image. >>> That may just mean that I have bad memory or that I have not been >>> fortunate >>> enough to see it. I'd like to hear what Aram has to say. >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Aram, >>>> It's a lovely image! You might try dialing down the saturation a bit, >>>> especially in the reflected sky and front trees (easily done with >>>> layers in >>>> CS). I might also try burning the sand of the beach in. >>>> But these are my preferences. The image, as I said, is lovely as is. >>>> >>>> As for 'is this what you saw", I think the most important question is if >>>> this is what you felt and want to convey. That's what really matters >>>> (IMO). >>>> >>>> Keep playing with it. Worst case is you'll learn something! ;-) >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Thanks Bob. Here is the link. >>>> > >>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.****org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/untitled-**** >>>> > 8029_HDR.jpg.html< >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/untitled-** >>>> 8029_HDR.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Aram/fall11/YO/untitled-8029_HDR.jpg.html> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Over the top? Not? As I said before, the raw files were are bit >>>> > understated from what I remember, but maybe this combined one is >>>> overstated. >>>> > >>>> > Aram >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------****-------------------- >>>> > From: "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:39 PM >>>> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Sunset in Yosemite >>>> > >>>> > Did I miss a link somewhere Aram? >>>> >> >>>> >> Bob Adler >>>> >> http://www.rgaphoto.com >>>> >> >>>> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:01 PM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Nice. I, too, was at Yosemite last week. Captured this sunset. >>>> >>> Playing with HDR. Is this a bet over the top or not? The raw >>>> files >>>> are a >>>> >>> bit understated from what I remember, and this combined one may be a >>>> bet >>>> >>> overstated, but it sure was pretty standing there. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Aram >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------****-------------------- >>>> >>> From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 4:10 PM >>>> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> >>> Subject: [Leica] Sunset in Yosemite >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We spent last week in Yosemite, the most beautiful place we have >>>> >>> seen. >>>> >>>> As a bonus, you can drive to many places, hike a mile or two and >>>> >>>> then >>>> be >>>> >>>> back for the cocktail hour. This is a view from our balcony. The >>>> tripod >>>> >>>> was in the car, so hand-held had to do thanks to the IS thing. This >>>> was the >>>> >>>> very last light, where everything sort of glows. C&C appreciated >>>> >>>> as >>>> >>>> always. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.****org/v/kcarney/_MG_2943.jpg.**** >>>> html< >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/kcarney/_MG_2943.jpg.**html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/kcarney/_MG_2943.jpg.html> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> >>> Leica Users Group. >>>> >>> See >>>> >>> http://leica-users.org/****mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug> >>>> < >>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>>for >>>> more information >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > ______________________________****_________________ >>>> > Leica Users Group. >>>> > See >>>> > http://leica-users.org/****mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug> >>>> < >>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>>for >>>> more information >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bob Adler >>>> Palo Alto, CA >>>> http://www.rgaphoto.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See >>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>for >>>> more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> // richard >>> <http://www.richardmanphoto.**com<http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>> > >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See >> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>for >> more information >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > Leica Users Group. > See > http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>for > more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>