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Subject: [Leica] PESO: America, from Occupy Philadelphia
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:22:35 -0500 (CDT)
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"Who pays taxes at a lower rate?"   Warren Buffet paid 17% last year,  
not the highest rate of 35%.  A survey found that the average was  
around 20% for high income taxpayers.   Hedge fund managers, of  
course, pay the 15% capital gains rate rather than the 35% earned  
income rate.

Robert

On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Ken Carney wrote:

> Robert,
>
> Which "news"?  If I got my information from TV or even the recently  
> discredited WSJ, I would not have a complete view.  With regard to  
> Warren Buffet, I think a confiscation of income over, say, $1  
> million would accomplish nothing.  I stand to be corrected.  As  
> always.
>
> Best,
>
> Ken
>
> On 10/16/2011 7:25 PM, Robert Meier wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> "The Buffet Rule:"   Haven't you been following the news?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Ken Carney wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/16/2011 6:33 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wonder how all these occupiers were able to get off work for so  
>>>>> long?
>>>> Many of the Milwaukee "Occupiers" (a one Saturday event) were  
>>>> "laid off" or otherwise unemployed; part of that 9.1% as well as  
>>>> the 99%. I spoke with quite a few degreed professionals with 20  
>>>> plus year professional careers who have been unable to find  
>>>> "any" work for 4 to 12 months. Others have been forced into  
>>>> early retirement. Others are serious students who can no longer  
>>>> finance their educations; or find employment. The stories are  
>>>> many and sad. Minorities in Milwaukee have more than 4 times  
>>>> that 9% unemployment rate. And those rates do not include the  
>>>> people who have simply given up on the prospect of finding work.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, George
>>>>
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>>> I hear you.  It also relates to Richard's comments about  
>>> corporations hoarding cash and banks not lending...the reason is  
>>> that there aren't as many opportunities for investment now.  The  
>>> reverse, actually.  The question is, what can our government do  
>>> about it?   The government doesn't create jobs, except in a  
>>> temporary and largely wasteful sense.  Large CEO salaries and  
>>> taxes on the rich are irrelevant - the most draconian measures  
>>> would not put a small dent in the debt.  What is needed, IMHO, is  
>>> competent fiscal administration, something not present now  
>>> (IMHO).  I have now escalated into a rant, which needs at least a  
>>> couple of constructive suggestions.  As a tax adviser, I will  
>>> probably be excommunicated for this one, but I think the current  
>>> policies regarding transfer of intangible assets offshore should  
>>> be revisited (Google, Cisco et al.).  All that is happening there  
>>> is that the income escaping U.S. tax must be reinvested in  
>>> another offshore business, else it will become income subject to  
>>> U.S. tax.  So, the U.S. tax break is building industries and  
>>> infrastructure in other countries.   A U.S. citizen is taxable on  
>>> worldwide income, now matter where earned.  Why should it be  
>>> different for a corporate business?  A second suggestion is to  
>>> stop U.S. military intervention in hopeless causes, e.g.,  
>>> Afghanistan.  OK, a third bonus suggestion would be some way to  
>>> eliminate federal pork spending, a lost cause I know.
>>>
>>> Lastly, I have numerous clients who have taxable income in excess  
>>> of $1 million.  They all pay taxes at the highest rate.  They are  
>>> also usually high charitable givers.  Who pays taxes at a lower  
>>> rate?  Two instances come to mind.  One is the risk taker who is  
>>> able to take a deduction for intangible drilling costs in the  
>>> exploration for oil and natural gas, and that is a temporary  
>>> thing.  The other is someone who has bitten on a tax shelter,  
>>> with blowback potential that will greatly exceed the temporary  
>>> tax savings.  EOR!
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
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