Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/08/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The anti has gone up. All through the previous decades you could shoot what the pros were shooting for around a grand and a half usd. Now its 2.5x that. An M6 cost about as much as a Canon or nikon. But the glass cost way more. And the body felt like it cost way more to people because there were no micromoters or chips in it. The general public should not grasp a hand made low tech camera having value. The kind of value they could relate to spending money on. So Leica had a discerning smaller following. - even if you were not using an M6 or 7 but a 5, or 4 or 3 your prints were certainly not going to suffer. No one was going to ask for their money back. And if you go to an m9 you are ok. But its 7 grand. And who's got 7 grand? Not me. I have or had after a year or more of scrambling 2.5 grand. So I got a D700 for my nikon glass. If I was able to somehow gather 7 grand I'd have my Leica m glass going instead. In the 24 features shot for the NYTimes from '07 to '09 the issue that I was shooting cropped came up many times. On several occasions they were ready to run one of my pix I'd just turned in big on the cover of the section but when things calmed down when they saw they were not getting the same kind of full frame (then Canon) quality they were used to it ended up not so big on the page. That's how I perceived it at least. I kept promising I'd got full frame soon but I was not able to swing it then. It was very frustrating. I wish to heck that body of work (I'm about to print) was shot on my D700 not my D200. In the future on some larger printings of it I'm going to have to be investing in special software just to clean the stuff up. Get the noise out of half of them. Anything not shoot in the noon day sun at iso 200. The stuff I'm shooting now is only about ten times better in all ways. Get a full frame camera. If you can't swing 7 grand for an m9 swing 2.5 for a canon or nikon DSLR. The cropped bodies are toys that no one takes seriously any more. That's why they cost 800 bucks. Its like you traded in your M6 for a 110 pocket instamatic and you think they are equivalent. "I thought it would be nice to have something smaller!" -- Mark R. > From: Frank Filippone <red735i at earthlink.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:58:31 -0700 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Thinking about a D700 or D7000 > > The point I was making is that not all of us on this forum are Pros.... > > We have to make buying decisions with a different/additional set of > criteria..... > > The question currently to use a D700 or a D7000 is a $1500 decision..... > The question to use the D3s vs a D700 is a $5K decision..... > The question to use a cropped sensor vs a FF sensor is a multi Thousand $ > decision..... > The question of a M8 or M9 is a $5K decision..... > The question of a Nocti vs a Summicron is at best, a $3K decision for a > used > version of each.... > > Although some amateurs can afford a $7K camera, I suspect, even on this > well > heeled list, that the majority of us can not. > > Generally speaking, this list is not sensitive to cost issues. One of my > pet peeves..... > > Frank Filippone > Red735i at earthlink.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net at leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > Marty Deveney > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:45 AM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Thinking about a D700 or D7000 > > That's exactly the point. These guys are not amateurs. > > Marty > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at > earthlink.net> > wrote: >> As an amateur, having roughly $15 Grand in cameras hanging from one's >> shoulders, sounds like overkill......... >> >> Never mind the lenses...... >> >> Frank Filippone >> Red735i at earthlink.net >> >> >> >> The news guys here all shoot with D3 and 1D series cameras. ?Maybe a >> D700 or a 5D for backup, but usually only as a third camera after a >> pair of D3s or 1Ds. >> >> Marty >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information