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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: check out Keith Wessel's photographs
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:42:26 -0500
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Jay, you make it sound easy.  I guess it seems so half a globe away.


On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> George,
>
> That is because, at the core, these things are very simple if you want to
> be
> prudent. The complications are caused by people not wanting to take other
> dissenting views into account for a variety of reasons  - whether on the
> left, centre and right. I really suspect that the solution to Wisconsin is
> somewhere in the middle, and both sides Government and the Unions) take
> extreme positions hoping to reach there as a face saving compromise - which
> in the short term leads to a lot of dissonance
>
> I do not deny that Governments get hijacked by special interests - they do
> all the time - and it does not matter what form of Government either. At
> least in Democracies, we get a chance to throw the bums out - if the
> majority of citizens voting deem it fit to do so. If we do not like the end
> result, tough luck, that is how elections work!
>
> I am afraid, coming from India, I have total distaste for Government
> bureaucracies and employees - they are by and large inefficient, lazy,
> corrupt and open to all types of political patronage, and we could well do
> without them as they do not provide the services they are supposed to
> provide for us anyway. Of course there are exceptions that work very well -
> the postal services and railways to name two that come to mind, but by and
> large they are totally dispensable!
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
> >
> > > take a loan (in the USA a municipal bond) to build a school (it is an
> > > asset, not an expense), and charge the fees required to pay for
> expenses
> > and
> > > pay back the bond, just like a business entity will do. If there are
> > > negligible or subsidized fees, then you have to have higher taxes - you
> > > cannot run these things on a deficit indefinitely - in cash flow terms,
> > this
> > > is called "diversion of funds' or a 'funding mismatch' - it will
> > definitely
> > > lead to bankruptcy at some point.
> >
> >
> > Jayanand,
> >
> > Throughout this discussion we've thrown simple analogies, metaphors,
> > business models,
> > economic formulae and government funding schemes into a strange stew pot.
> >
> > Allow me to clarify:
> >
> > Here in Wisconsin we have moved way beyond balancing budgets, municipal
> > bonds and cash flow terms.
> >
> > For the past three weeks thousands of citizens have stood in the capitol
> > rotunda every day;
> > culminating with between 150 - 300,000 demonstrating in the streets
> > yesterday.
> >
> > 14 honorable democratic senators stood before that throng to receive its
> > expression of gratitude for their strength and courage;
> > while the governor required 6 unmarked police cars to get him to a fund
> > raiser in a norther boarder town with a population of 2,700.
> > In that town between 2,000 and 3,500 citizens greeted him with, "NO!"
> >
> > The governor installed body canners and bag searches in our capitol
> > building for the first time in our state's history.
> > The citizen majority petitions for the recall of 8 republican senators.
> > In my district alone they have acquired 49% of the required signatures
> > within one week's time; with 7 weeks to go.
> > 149,000 have pledged to petition the governor's recall ASAP (January
> 2012)
> > with 10 months to go in that effort to arrive at 540,000.
> >
> > The citizen minority also petitions for the recall of some of the
> > democratic senators.
> > Though that energy is so low that I can't find who, where or when through
> > google.
> >
> > The people are telling the governor in no uncertain terms, "This is our
> > state.
> > We were here before you got here. We will be here long after you're
> gone."
> > The governor, and his legislative supporters, respond with no regard for
> > their petitioners.
> > Today we learned that the republican senator from Fond du Lac county
> > lives with his 25 year old mistress, who was a staffer and former
> lobbyist,
> > in Madison - outside his district - not legal.
> > His former maid signed his recall petition and says his x-wife will too.
> >
> > We're talking about things way beyond budgets here;
> > and in Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Maine, Florida and beyond.
> >
> > These republican governors have overreached;
> > and the labor majority intends to return their governance to that
> > of, for and by the "people."
> >
> > Mark these words, times and places as historically significant.
> > Yesterday was the largest rally for labor in this country's history.
> >
> > Regards,
> > George Lottermoser
> > george at imagist.com
> > http://www.imagist.com
> > http://www.imagist.com/blog
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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-- 
Regards,

Sonny
http://sonc.com/look/
Natchitoches, Louisiana

USA


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