Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/02/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Nathan I just commented on the specific problem you showed. Nothing about loyalty or positives or negatives or brands. Nothing about motorcycles or sporty cars either ( although my one Alfa was a disaster though, I went back to Mazdas!) I hope that you hear from the technical gurus soon. Certainly nothing like I have ever seen before. Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman On 10 February 2011 07:27, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > Geoff, I know you have a strong loyalty to Leica, as do I. After all, I > have invested several thousand Euro in Leica equipment since I returned to > the fold in 2008. And I love the results when thins work (which is most of > the time, in fairness). > > But I just came back from a walk, during which I made the following mental > calculation: since I took up photography in 1985, I have owned cameras made > by Pentax, Canon, Olympus, Leica, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Rollei, Fuji and > Panasonic. Of all those brands, the only one that ever needed repair was > Leica--both my M7 and M8. Hence my analogy with Italian motorcycles in a > previous post. I drool over Ducati, but I know that a Honda is much less > likely to leave me stranded. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > YNWA > > > > > > > > On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > > > Nathan, I think that there are different issues confused here. > > The fault with fine lines in the sample you showed is not the same as > what > > other people call 'banding'. That is more broader bands of uneven tone, > not > > a pattern of fine regular lines like your shot has. I have never seen > that > > particular effect before(from any camera or posted by anyone). It sounds > > like it is puzzling the Leica Camera technical people? > > > > On low light performance the M9 is anecdotally considered to be at least > a > > stop better in low light regarding noise. My personal experience supports > > that. > > > > > > I looked at what I had from M8 from 1/20th sec down to 12 secs (381 > frames) > > and have no evidence or banding nor the fine lines fault that you have > shown > > in that first photo. > > Here's something that meets the criteria and contains all on topic > subjects > > too ;-) > > > > 1/8th f/2.4 1250 ISO M8 > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hoppyman/1/T2.jpg.html > > > > Cheers > > Geoff > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > > > > On 10 February 2011 06:54, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> > > wrote: > > > >> Tina, the light in this place was such that ISO 1250 was required, > despite > >> the fast lens. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect decent > performance > >> in such conditions. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Nathan > >> > >> Nathan Wajsman > >> Alicante, Spain > >> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >> http://www.greatpix.eu > >> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >> > >> YNWA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 9, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Tina Manley wrote: > >> > >>> Never seen it on my M9, or my M8s for that matter. I never used the > M8s > >>> over 800 ISO, though. With film, I very occasionally had to push TMax > >> 400 > >>> to 800 and I used TMax 1600 for candle-light - maybe 10 rolls in 40 > >> years. > >>> I don't see any reason for using extreme ISOs when we have Leica fast > >>> lenses. > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at > >>> gmail.com > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Just an update...while Leica is studying the original DNG file and > has > >>>> fallen silent, I have just downloaded another batch of photos shot on > >> Sunday > >>>> in a bar, and again out of 45 pics about 4 or 5 are affected. This > time > >> I > >>>> used a different card and a different lens, so my only conclusion is > >> that > >>>> the M8 sensor cannot cope with low light very well, or at least not my > >> M8 > >>>> sensor. Does not exactly inspire confidence and gives me serious pause > >> when > >>>> considering any future purchase of an M9. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> does this occur with an M9? reported? > >>>> > >>>> anyone... > >>>> > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I am slowly coming to the conclusion (not just based on this > incident, > >>>> but my overall experience) that Leica is like an Italian sports car or > >>>> motorcycle: brilliant when it works but unreliable. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nathan > >>>>> > >>>>> Nathan Wajsman > >>>>> Alicante, Spain > >>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >>>>> > >>>>> YNWA > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Just unloaded a memory card with about 60 Leica M8 images. Of those, > >>>> four had annoying banding such as this one: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#1166286723_jgdU7-O-LB > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is the first time I have seen this since buying the M8 in > >> December > >>>> 2008. I suppose I should concluded that Leica's quality control is > >> precisely > >>>> tuned so that the thing starts acting up just after the 2-year > warranty > >>>> expires. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Has anyone else encountered a similar problem? If this gets worse, I > >>>> will have to send the M8 to Solms, good thing I have my GF-1.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Nathan (not a happy camper this Monday morning) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman > >>>>>> Alicante, Spain > >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >>>>>> > >>>>>> YNWA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tina Manley, ASMP > >>> www.tinamanley.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >