Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/10/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Phil, Whew. I agree, I think. It's just a little baffling when someone says: 'Now just became (ed: 'because'?) one is the only one in a large crowd of a huge consensus with a differing opinion doesn't mean one is wrong.' and then just a few hours later says: 'I wonder why it is that 99.9999% of photographers out there are using Canon Nikon and about 3 of them are going to invest in an unknown entity from a non camera company like this Sony system to do their work?' Jim Laird On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Phil <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> wrote: > Thanks! > This BS pontification about my camera is better than your camera or my > sensor is bigger than your sensor or whatnot smacks of > elementary-school arguments. "I'll go fight you out at the far end of > the baseball field" type crap. I'd love to open up my sailor's > vocabulary here but we're all civil on this list. > > What one person chooses to shoot with is that person's choice. Doesn't > the image matter anymore? Well, if it was taken with a camera that > doesn't have X amount of square footage of recording medium, > apparently not, according to some. The choice of one person's gear is > not a personal attack on another person's choice of gear. That's why we > have companies that put out different products. If they were all the > same, there would be no point in competition. People use what they > like. Some photographers use tiny point & shoots, some use Nikon APS-C > cameras, some use FX cameras, some use Canon APS-C cameras, APS-H > cameras, or full-frame cameras. Some people use 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, 6x12, > 6x17. some use larger formats. With this kind of thinking, none of us > are serious unless we use a friggin' 20x24" polaroid, so all the > "miniature format" work we've all done is for naught. > > Don't even bring up professionals because they use the tools they need > to get the job done and a whole range of formats is used, not just full > frame whatever. > > This thread and the camera masturbation that has come from it is > absolutely ridiculous at this point. I'm guilty too of participating so > I'm going to make it a point to post a new photo every day, if it kills > me, and it won't. > > Just let people shoot whatever size medium they want. If HCB were alive > & on this list when he retired would we have all taken up painting > because the medium weren't right? > > Hopefully this thread dies soon or Ted tells us all to shut up & > shoot. > > Just go make nice photos. > > Phil Forrest > > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:19:06 -0700 > Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote: > >> That's just a sensible thing to say :-) >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Phil <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> >> wrote: >> >> > Why should anyone care what someone else uses? It's a choice for >> > each person. Let everyone make their own choices, whatever they may >> > be, respect them for that choice, whatever it is and get on with >> > life. >> > >> > Phil Forrest >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:46:28 -0400 >> > Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> > >> > > I wonder why it is that 99.9999% of photographers out there are >> > > using Canon Nikon and about 3 of them are going to invest in an >> > > unknown entity from a non camera company like this Sony system to >> > > do their work? >> > > >> > > Walkman >> > > Home Audio >> > > Televisions >> > > These are known Sony entities. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -------------------- >> > > Mark William Rabiner >> > > Photography >> > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> > > mark at rabinergroup.com >> > > Cars: ? http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: James Laird <digiratidoc at gmail.com> >> > > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> > > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:58:59 -0500 >> > > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] D700 >> > > > >> > > > Gene, >> > > > >> > > > Then they didn't have a 900. Look for one. It's built like a >> > > > tank, with magnesium alloy body and rubber weather seals and >> > > > gaskets, unlike most of the others in the alpha series. A >> > > > little noisy, but no worse than a D300. And you can use R glass >> > > > with an adapter, I used my old 400 5.6 on it's shoulder stock >> > > > today, and of course there's the Zeiss glass if you can afford >> > > > it. A little noisy (photo-wise) at higher ISOs, but the noise >> > > > is more like film grain, not objectionable at all to me. The >> > > > kicker for me, besides the wonderful finder and the resolution, >> > > > was always having IS, built in, which was extremely helpful >> > > > with the 400. Imagine a circa 1968 Leica Telyt with IS. (As you >> > > > can tell I really love this camera.) ;-) >> > > > >> > > > Jim Laird >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:45 PM, ?<grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: >> > > >> Jim, >> > > >> >> > > >> No, it has been a year and a half since I looked at a Sony >> > > >> DSLR, no dealers in this area. ?The finders of those I looked >> > > >> at were not equal to the R8. Going to Texas in December, I >> > > >> will see if I can try one then. >> > > >> >> > > >> Gene >> > > >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > > >> From: "James Laird" <digiratidoc at gmail.com> >> > > >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> > > >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 3:59:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> > > >> Central Subject: Re: [Leica] D700 >> > > >> >> > > >> Gene, >> > > >> >> > > >> Have you looked at the Sony A900? Extremely good 24 mp sensor >> > > >> with an astoundingly good viewfinder which reminds me of the >> > > >> great finders on the Nikon F et al/Leica SL and SL2. Great >> > > >> camera although not cheap, except by Leica standards. ;-) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jim Laird >> > > >> >> > > >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:55 PM, ?<grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: >> > > >>> Already tried Canon with R glass and was underwhelmed. ?Don't >> > > >>> care for Sony DSLRs, even less as I don't care for canon >> > > >>> DSLRs. I'll take DMR with R glass anyway over the >> > > >>> alternatives. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Cheers, >> > > >>> Gene >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> > > >>> From: "Richard Man" <richard at imagecraft.com> >> > > >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> > > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:20:09 AM GMT -06:00 >> > > >>> US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Leica] D700 >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Some guy on the GETDIP showed some pictures with a 900+ Leica >> > > >>> R glass. Of course they are only web JPG so you can't really >> > > >>> tell, but they look good and the person likes the combo. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Someone should really compare these combos (DMR vs. A900+R vs. >> > > >>> Canikon + R) for the poor suffering R glass users :-) >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:16 PM, <afirkin at afirkin.com> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>>> I was thinking more like a Sony A900 with some Zeiss >> > > >>>>> primes . . . actually . . . >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> Marty >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Has anyone tried the Sony especially with re-mounted leica >> > > >>>> glass? I'm tempted, but there are quite a few "downsides" >> > > >>>> etc to consider. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Cheers >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> alastair >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>>> Leica Users Group. >> > > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > >>>> information >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -- >> > > >>> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> >> > > >>> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.com/blog/> >> > > >>> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> >> > > >>> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include >> > > >>> all previous replies in your msgs. ] >> > > >>> >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>> Leica Users Group. >> > > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > >>> information >> > > >>> >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>> Leica Users Group. >> > > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > >>> information >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> Leica Users Group. >> > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > >> information >> > > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> Leica Users Group. >> > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > >> information >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Leica Users Group. >> > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > > information >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Leica Users Group. >> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> > > information >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leica Users Group. >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >