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Subject: [Leica] more on the Earl Brooks vs. AA negatives
From: mark at (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:53:53 -0400

I listen often to Segovia and Casals play on Bach on scratchy mono and love
Bach was supposed to have been a master Organist but there was no
electricity to power the audio recorders.
I have a scratchy mono of Chopin playing piano I think; but we're talking
about conducting a score. Not the gymnastics of being a virtuoso.

Mark William Rabiner
mark at

> From: Ken Carney <kcarney1 at>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:43:26 -0500
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] more on the Earl Brooks vs. AA negatives
>   You have dashed my hopes, Mark :).  I thought that if one of my
> digital prints sold for, say, $25 I could get 5X that for a silver print
> :).   Maybe more framed :).  Of course, first I have to get one of my
> digital prints to sell for anything other than a donation to a charity
> auction (there my prints have sold for as much as $500, where there was
> an open bar and good whiskey and designated drivers, a lesson learned by
> me where I have bought jewelry for my wife and gotten the look the next
> morning....).   I can somewhat see reprints of the EW negs, since those
> were contact prints where there is not a lot of manipulation available.
> An AA print, I don't know.  The thing AA reprints have is that so many
> of them were done by his assistants anyway.  Re music, wouldn't it be
> great to somehow hear Bach playing the Goldberg Variations to compare to
> Glen Gould?  Dream on.  I have both sets of the Schnabel recordings of
> the Beethoven 32 sonatas and they trump any later recordings IMHO.  I
> wonder how L.V.'s would have fared?
> Ken
> On 8/24/2010 9:50 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> You are assuming Ken that this bears some relevance to the way the fine 
>> art
>> gallery market is structured but Norsigian seems to have a faint idea of 
>> it.
>> That was evident weeks ago.  He probably looked up how things are 
>> conducted
>> on the internet which is way different from the traditional gallery scene
>> and traditional existing gallery market.  He was painting walls before he
>> came upon this cache of so called Adams negs.
>> But if you do some searching limiting your search to legitimate galleries
>> which are real buildings with and have more than an internet address but a
>> street address you've find the discrepancy between inkjet pricing and
>> gelatin silver print pricing is often minimal with many of the best 
>> people.
>> (the ones who call their Mom's weekly.)
>> I had the quote about the negative is the score and the print the
>> performance on my desk a few weeks ago I have this in mine often but also
>> have in the back in my mind that in classical music the definitive 
>> recording
>> to get of most modern serious pieces of music is not the one with the
>> composer of the score conducting. Its almost always someone else. And 
>> quite
>> a few composers are not well thought of as interpreters of their own work.
>> This might have minimal bearing on the photography market. As in Graphics
>> the idea of someone else taking over your plates or negs and doing a run
>> after your dead is very very rare to medium rare. I cant think of any 
>> other
>> exceptions than Edward Weston and his sons.
>> --------------------
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> mark at
>>> From: Ken Carney<kcarney1 at>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group<lug at>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:14:10 -0500
>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] more on the Earl Brooks vs AA negatives
>>>    Interesting that a "digital" 16x20 print (inkjet?) is $1,500, but a
>>> "silver gelatin darkroom print" is $7,500.  Presumably both unsigned
>>> :).  Now I'm sorry I closed the darkroom.
>>> Ken Carney
>>> On 8/24/2010 3:16 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>> <
>>>> 0.
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>> george at
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