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Subject: [Leica] Macro
From: imagist3 at (George Lottermoser)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:28:57 -0500
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I noticed it for the first time 
on the Memphis ABANA shoot.
Bright white background
a silver umbrella as a side light near edge of frame on right.
It shocked me.
Didn't show up on a recent portrait session.
But reared it's ugly head again on the latest chandelier shots,
with lit bulbs (properly exposed) in the frame.

Different size sensors may have a different affect.
Camera baffle designs?
I haven't tried to duplicate the anomaly in the 5D.
I should do so. 

George Lottermoser 
george at

On Jul 16, 2010, at 12:05 AM, Jim Nichols wrote:

> George,
> I use the 60mm f/2.8 Macro routinely on my Oly E-1, and also on the E-510, 
> and have never seen that problem.
> Guess I'm just lucky.
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Lottermoser" <imagist3 at 
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Macro
>> the R8/DMR is quite wonderful for macro
>> with 100 2.8 apo macro, 60 2.8 macro
>> with or without R bellows.
>> Unfortunately I found a digital glitch
>> when using the 60 (in normal - non macro - focusing ranges)
>> something occurs as it interacts with the sensor
>> to provide a magenta hot spot in the center of the frame
>> if light sources are in the frame
>> or even at the edges of the frame.
>> I've tried to overcome it with shades, baffles
>> and all manner of black card magic.
>> Yet it persists.
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at
>> On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:49 PM, grduprey at wrote:
>>> I use my R8DMR for macro.  I have the 60 Macro Elmarit R.  Works nice, 
>>> but would like to have the 100/2.8 R.  I also have the bellows R for 
>>> real serious close up pics.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Henning Wulff" <henningw at>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:10:56 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Macro
>>> George, I've found the 5DII to be a vast
>>> improvement over the 5D in these sort of
>>> situations. I don't have an Ultima but do have
>>> the 17 and 24 Canon TSE lenses. If you compose
>>> and focus only on the image coming to you by way
>>> of the mirror you really con't use the tilt
>>> function on these lenses. On the other hand, in
>>> magnified Live View mode accurate tilts are a
>>> piece of cake. I've done a lot of table top stuff
>>> with LF, and I wish I had had something like
>>> this. It truly is a revelation, and no dark cloth
>>> and loupes required while hot lights are burning
>>> into your ears.
>>> Live View on this camera (and the m4/3 cameras
>>> I'm familiar with) is accurate enough to
>>> realistically and correctly measure and judge the
>>> effects of focus shift in various lenses, let
>>> alone accurately set up tilts or focus macro
>>> objects. The fact that the screen is as bright at
>>> f/16 as at f/2.8 is a huge help.
>>> At 3:29 PM -0500 7/15/10, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>> I agree totally Mark.
>>>> I continue to NOT understand
>>>> the quest for easier, less, smaller, cheaper, less, etc ?
>>>> Yes iPhones et al are fun and
>>>> in the hands of skilled visionaries,
>>>> can produce art.
>>>> I just did a series of macro images
>>>> using the 5D on the Ultima with an 80 Rodenstock Apo enlarging lens
>>>> with the intention of using shifts and tilts.
>>>> The viewing screens (both the original and the
>>>> brightscreen) just suck (for this kind of work).
>>>> So I replaced the 5D with the R8/DMR
>>>> and immediately found my self in big, huge,
>>>> heavy, difficult, tilt/shift macro heaven;
>>>> achieving exactly what I envisioned in my mind.
>>>> The only body that could be better (given my lenses and other kit)
>>>> would be an M9/90macro/Viso because of the additional real estate;
>>>> or better yet a 39CFV, Leaf Aptus II-7 to 10, or
>>>> PhaseOne 25+, 45+ or 65+, back.
>>>> With the M9 mega-tool - the question is not
>>>> "what what other camera can I get to make macro
>>>> easier?"
>>>> The question is "What can I get to do macro with this incredible M9 
>>>> tool?"
>>>> If all I had was an M9 and wanted to do macro
>>>> I'd be all over the 90 macro and viso with bellows and all sorts of 
>>>> lenses.
>>>> (but going from M9 to 1.5, 4/3 or smaller? What is the point?
>>>> unless all we're talking about is "oh look
>>>> there's a neat bug to show on the web" type of
>>>> approach)
>>>> (The 5D remains a fun and functional tool with Canon lenses)
>>>> and of course YMMV
>>>> Regards,
>>>> George Lottermoser
>>> -- 
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