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Subject: [Leica] okay, i'm seriously crazy about this camera (and this photo)
From: kcarney1 at (Ken Carney)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:11:08 -0500
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It is just something that bites photographers from time to time.  I have 
lots of 4x5 and 8x10 negs with ultra-wide pinhole cameras.  And lots of 
Holga negs - the ones with the camera converted to 6x6 so you get that 
cool vignetting.  I even bought a Lensbaby thinking it might recreate to 
an extent the Holga in digital - it doesn't.  The Holga is sharp here 
and there, from camera to camera (I have several).  I would be doing 
some pinhole now if I could get ultra-wide from a digital camera (you 
can't - it is "normal" focal length, boring IMO in pinhole).  The iPhone 
may be my next baby, though it may not work so well as a telephone - I 
guess you can't have it all.  The best I have seen from this genre is 
the Plungercam by Mark Tucker 
though it requires a Hasselblad body and a Zeiss loupe (lens).  There is 
also a Dianacam and so on.

Here I partially confess my similar sins (the light rays are not 
photoshop - they are just what the pinhole captures somehow):
(Leonardo ultrawide 4x5 pinhole, Polaroid PN film, RIP)
(ultrawide pinhole plate on 8x10 field camera)


On 7/14/2010 6:45 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
> Not so strange, the pixel counts are way past where digital cameras started
> and you should not underestimate the complexity and quality of the lenses
> designs fitted either.
> Companies like Carl  Zeiss put a lot of R&D and effort into those. I
> understand the appeal and convenience of having a camera integrated into
> your interface to the universe.
> I confess that I don't 'get' going to all of the trouble of setting up
> lights and stands and all of the rest to try to extract the best you can
> from your phone.  Maybe it's the challenge of making it work with a very
> inefficient tool. Eating a bowl of fragrant rice with a toothpick.
> Very possibly why Kyle is an ubercool and successful photographer and I am
> an amateur.
> I still very much like all of the pictures shown!
> Cheers
> Geoff
> On 15 July 2010 08:05, Kyle Cassidy<kcassidy at>  wrote:
>> You know, I sound like a broken record, but this came from my freaking
>> TELEPHONE and it prints 8x10
>> to be sure, it needs a lot of TLC especially in regards to lighting 
>> because
>> it's got auto ISO and if you under light it'll just crank the film speed 
>> up
>> to 1600 and you get grain like driveway gravel, and the only way you can 
>> see
>> what the film speed is set to is by looking at the EXIF data after you've
>> taken it -- which reminds me of trying to pull photos out of a Minox with
>> Technical Pan and Rodinal  diluted 100:1 at 52 degrees agitated once every
>> two days by closing a door on the opposite side of the house....
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