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Subject: [Leica] LR question - Adobe or Camera standard profile
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:54:17 -0500
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I totally agree Frank.
I shoot only RAW and would advice others to do the same for serious  
work.

Yet if someone does choose to shoot jpg (for whatever reason)
I'm simply suggesting that it's best
to open that jpg and save it in a non-lossy format
for further non-destructive adjustment.

In other words jpg is not the best choice for your "digital negative."

Regards,
George Lottermoser
george at imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist

On Apr 30, 2010, at 2:18 AM, Frank Dernie wrote:

> I may be wrong George, but I believe that JPG is a lossy  
> compression, and that some, maybe quite a lot, of information is  
> discarded from the raw data by the jpg process and is therefore not  
> available again, it was not stored on the card, so expanding the  
> jpg to any other format later can not recover it.
> In fact, the advice not to work on and re-save as a jpg is the give  
> away, if -nothing- was lost in the jpg process, this advice would  
> be superfluous/wrong.
> I always shoot raw, and only convert to jpg if needed.
> I nowadays import my raw files into LR in native format, ie not  
> converting to dng. This means the import is fast, and if there is  
> any proprietary info stored in the makers raw format, such as  
> distortion or chromatic corrections, which may not yet have a  
> "place" in the current dng file format, it is not lost.
> cheers,
> Frank
>
> On 30 Apr, 2010, at 00:01, George Lottermoser wrote:
>
>> I agree that the jpg is what it is;
>> but I believe
>> when originally opened in photoshop
>> (or other imaging software)
>> it expands to reveal its maximum amount of information.
>> To then save it as a tiff or psd or DMG
>> does preserve whatever it did have to offer.
>>
>> Working on a jpg and then saving as jpg
>> will further throw away information.
>> (or so I've been lead to believe).
>>
>> So I do see some value, if choosing to shoot jpg,
>> (which I don't)
>> to then open the jpg and save as DMG
>> for further nondestructive editing
>> in LR or other software.
>>
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Oliver Bryk wrote:
>>
>>> Vince,
>>> there is really nothing of value that I can add to Frank's  
>>> explanation. Your
>>> in-camera JPG processor will have done whatever it was designed  
>>> to do, and
>>> AFAIK that is an irreversible process.
>>> Oliver
>>>
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