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Subject: [Leica] M Lenses on GF-1
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:06:57 -0500
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I'd think extreme retrofocus designs to achieve maximum  
perpendicularity.

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George Lottermoser
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On Apr 14, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

> I don't really recall Olympus's exact wording. I think the only way  
> to get perpendicular light rays to hit would be to have a very  
> large diameter rear element, and still they would not be actually  
> perpendicular, but maybe more perpendicular.
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:
>
>> The vignetting of the 45-200 is due to the attempt by Panasonic to  
>> keep the lens as small as possible, so vignetting appears at wider  
>> apertures due to cutoff of off-axis rays. If the vignetting were  
>> due to light rays hitting the sensor at a too steep angle, the  
>> aperture wouldn't make a difference. Also the latter is an issue  
>> with shorter lenses where the rear exit pupil is too close to the  
>> sensor. Not an issue with the 45-200.
>>
>> As I mentioned before, the vignetting doesn't bother me since the  
>> lens is only for digital use, and the software that I use  
>> certainly has no problems fixing the vignetting if so desire.
>>
>> BTW, that Olympus claim is not true; I'm not sure they actually  
>> said that. Their lenses are 'more telecentric' than those of most  
>> other manufacturers; true telecentricity causes so many problems  
>> that it's really not worth it except for certain industrial uses.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is the vignetting due to the light rays hitting it at less than a  
>>> perpendicular angle? One of Olympus's big selling points on their  
>>> lenses is that the light path is exactly parallel to the APS- 
>>> sized sensor behind the lens.
>>>
>>> Jeffery
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:05 PM, David Rodgers wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't doubt what you're saying. I'm just a bit mystified how a  
>>>> lens
>>>> can vignette on a sensor that's half the size of film that it was
>>>> designed to cover. That hasn't been my experience with M lenses  
>>>> on Micro
>>>> Four Thirds. I actually have to use Lightroom to add a little  
>>>> forced
>>>> vignetting because in many cases I like that look.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also perplexed at how Contax G lenses can be materially  
>>>> better on
>>>> Micro Four Thirds than are Leica M lenses, or even CV lenses for  
>>>> that
>>>> matter. While I haven't used all on Micro Four Thirds I have  
>>>> used them
>>>> all on film and for the most part they're all pretty good. Thus I'm
>>>> curious as to why the performance would be so different on Micro  
>>>> Four
>>>> Thirds. What kind of adapters are you using?
>>>>
>>>> The main issues I see in using Lumix lenses versus Leica M  
>>>> lenses on the
>>>> GF-1 is that Lumix lenses have AF and Leica M lenses don't. It's  
>>>> easy to
>>>> miss focus, particularly with the longer lenses wide open. A focus
>>>> assist LED in the viewfinder would be a nice feature to have.
>>>>
>>>> Dave R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+drodgers=casefarms.com at leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+drodgers=casefarms.com at leica-users.org] On  
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Simon Ogilvie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:03 PM
>>>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M Lenses on GF-1
>>>>
>>>> I've used a variety of Leica and Voigtlander M lenses on a G1, and
>>>> also a couple of Contax G lenses (45/2 and 90/2.8).  Without  
>>>> exception
>>>> I found the M lenses disappointing with either smearing,  
>>>> vignetting or
>>>> other faults.  The Contax G lenses however are superb on the  
>>>> micro 4/3
>>>> format and I much prefer the 90 to the 90 Summicron and the 45  
>>>> to my
>>>> (now sold) 50 Summilux.
>>>>
>>>> I've also been a bit disappointed with the performance of the
>>>> Panasonic 45-200.  I haven't checked but it's possible most of the
>>>> shots I've taken have been at or close to full aperture, so the
>>>> vignetting at the long end is very noticeable.  It also doesn't  
>>>> appear
>>>> very sharp at the long end either.  Maybe the upcoming 100-300  
>>>> will be
>>>> better - I hope so.
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] M Lenses on GF-1)
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