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Subject: [Leica] A S2 blog entry
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:52:35 -0800
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On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:

> My good man, I claim it and I took NINE years of grammar in the Catholic
> schools and from there went on to spend my adult life immersed in the
> requirements and pleasures of English. There are many many more expert than
> I but I'm no slouch.
> 
> So I know you ain't right.
> 
> I would add -- and this is going to infuriate people -- that to my mind the
> only vivid and creative new developments in the English language in my
> lifetime have taken place in the context of urban culture and its
> tremendously inventive, sly, colorful new forms of speech. Of course,
> 'standard' English is meant for those in power; those without power have to
> speak in code. Thus, in the U.S.,black English since at least the mid-19th
> century has been, quite intentionally, only marginally comprehensible to
> whites.
> 
> So when people complain about irregular speech and bad grammar and such 
> they
> are not talking about Mark Twain's vernacular, Casey Stengel's, or Yogi
> Berra's. INVARIABLY they are talking about people whom they view, or whom
> they want to depict, as below them socially.

brilliant, and I agree,

Steve



> 
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
> frozenlight.eu>wrote:
> 
>> I have heard this "bourgeois preoccupation" anecdote before.
>> 
>> Yes, of course language evolves, and English probably more than most, but
>> that does not mean that there are no rules. People who claim that are 
>> simply
>> too lazy to learn and apply them.
>> 
>> Nathan
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> 
>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>> 
>>> oh puhleeze. as a teacher of mine once said, a world-respected scholar in
>>> the history of modern english -- "spelling is a bourgeois preoccupation."
>>> english has no academy and no formal set of rules, and almost every
>>> grammatical so-called rule you were taught in english has numerous
>>> exceptions. it is a fluid and changeable language and this is a crucial
>> part
>>> of its vigor and its beauty.
>>> 
>>> i hope i've impacted someone on this.
>>> 
>>> actually, i  hate 'impact' as a verb. but i don't claim it's a rule. i
>> just
>>> claim people who use it aren't my friends, and when i've had to work for
>>> them i've been miserable.
>>> 
>>> vince
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Greg Lorenzo <gregj_lorenzo at 
>>> hotmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Nathan Wajsman writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it considered "modern" to write without verbs and discarding rules
>> of
>>>> punctuation etc.?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suppose he fancies himself a present-day James Joyce with a camera
>> and
>>>> his stream of consciousness.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I consider it, along with non-use of capital letters, a sign of an
>> improper
>>>> education.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Greg Lorenzo
>>>> 
>>>> Calgary, Canada
>>>> 
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