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Subject: [Leica] M9 DNGs and Adobe
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:40:48 -0800
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Geoff, it's a common joke about Microsoft about giving details information
but not answering the question. This is just a bad takeoff from Bob's post
that "You didn't answer my question." Don't worry about it.

Somewhat related: I am running into LR/Photoshop running out of RAM. I have
6 GB but XP only uses 4GB. I am setting up another machine. When that's
done, I will see if it helps to install Win7/64bits on this machine. It's a
pain to have to close down apps.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Eh? This is an Adobe bug, nothing to do with your OS.
> Installing a 64 bit OS and CS4 and LR2 64 bit does has implications though
> (locations for profiles for one, compatibility for aftermarket plug-ins for
> another).
>
> Stan, the latest version of the Camera Raw plug-in that will work with CS2
> is 3.7.
> The DNG format is supported all the way back to CS since Adobe invented it
> of course. Camera Raw 2.4 and later supports M8 and M9 DNGs (and other DNG
> native cameras).
> Naturally there were no specific profiles for the M9 before September last
> year, but the files will open fine in versions prior to the introduction of
> M9 specific profiles. It is the specific profile support that is one of the
> benefits of the later versions (and my reason to suggest 5.4 and later).
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 12 March 2010 07:45, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>
> > Geoff must be working for Microsoft.
> >
> > :-P
> >
> > Since the symptom of the problem is that the program crashes, it's easy
> > enough to work that way. If it crashes, then you have a problem :-)
> >
> > (Yes I work in software :-) )
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You didn't answer the question...
> > > :-p
> > >  Bob Adler
> > > Palo Alto, CA
> > > http://www.rgaphoto.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 12:55:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 DNGs and Adobe
> > >
> > > Yes the bug is only in LR 2.6 and ACR 5.6. Although M9 users are a very
> > > small group compared to say Canon or Nikon Adobe customers, enough
> people
> > > reported the problem so that the fix is underway. The Adobe user forums
> > > contain the discussions (You can join free). The problem is known and
> > > acknowledged by Adobe there. Some of their senior people participate in
> > > those forums, which is to their credit as a company. They apologised
> and
> > > explained and have promised  a further fix.
> > >
> > > Using the LR2.6 Release Candidate (the old beta) did work when they
> > > initially made it available again since it did not have the later
> > > alterations to improve M9 rendition. Then they made the LR2.6.1 version
> > > available for M9 users. Non-M9 people should not install it because of
> > the
> > > version mismatch complication. If you are using LR2.5 you should use at
> > > least 5.4 for best compatibility. Don't forget the excellent LR3 beta.
> > >
> > > Ed, the bug is apparently triggered by particular tonal value
> > combinations
> > > (RGB numbers)! which is why you only see it sometimes. The bug was
> always
> > > there in Camera Raw 5.6 but not reported by users at the same time. I
> > guess
> > > it was because M9 users got the free download of LR and maybe those
> were
> > > new
> > > Adobe customers?
> > >
> > > Sorry about more acronyms, uncle Rabs, however I hope that they are
> clear
> > > within the context.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 March 2010 01:19, Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I noticed this issue when you had me upgrade LR to 2.6.1 Geoff. :-)
> > > > I still use LR Camera Raw, but when going to edit in CS4, I "Let
> > > Lightroom
> > > > Do Rendering". Any problem with this approach?
> > > > Best,
> > > > Bob
> > > >  Bob Adler
> > > > Palo Alto, CA
> > > > http://www.rgaphoto.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> > > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > > Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 5:38:58 AM
> > > > Subject: [Leica] M9 DNGs and Adobe
> > > >
> > > >  For anyone interested:
> > > > M9 users found that some DNG files caused crashes in Photoshop CS4
> and
> > > > Lightroom 2.6 (a particular RGB number combination). Adobe found a
> bug
> > > > introduced when late changes were made to the Raw processing engine
> to
> > > > improve rendition of M9 files. The current fix for LR2.6 users is to
> > > > download and use LR2.6.1. The only change is the elimination of that
> > bug
> > > > and
> > > > it is only relevant for M9 users. The problem does not occur with the
> > LR3
> > > > beta (which also has significantly better rendition, noise reduction
> > and
> > > > sharpening powers).
> > > >
> > > > I have recently done a complete new clean install on a new sytem (64
> > bit,
> > > > Yeah!)  and am only just catching up. I have found that the bug
> exists
> > in
> > > > Adobe Camera Raw 5.6 as well, however there is no ACR5.6.1 available
> > > > currently. Adobe has acknowledged the issue with both LR and ACR and
> > > > reports
> > > > that a fix will be available shortly. In the meantime I need to stay
> > out
> > > of
> > > > Adobe Camera Raw with M9 files and as a minor issue, trying to edit a
> > DNG
> > > > in
> > > > Photoshop (from LR) reports the mismatch in versions as well, once
> you
> > > > install the LR2.6.1 although the cure is not yet here. I don't have
> the
> > > > LR2.6RC (release candidate) any longer. It did not exhibit the
> crashing
> > > > behaviour but I don't know if version matching was an issue there.
> > > >
> > > > Personally I am looking forward to the release of LR3 and I hope a
> > cheap
> > > > upgrade. Mant M9 owners tht already own LR are waiting to find out if
> > > they
> > > > will be able to use their entitlement to download LR to receive LR3.
> We
> > > > shall see.
> > > > Incidentally, the X1 already has a standard profile (usable in both
> > > > applications of course) although the S2 does not. Neither X1 DNG
> files
> > > nor
> > > > those from the S2 provoke the bug.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Geoff
> > > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > > >
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> > > >
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Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] M9 DNGs and Adobe)
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