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Subject: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:44:44 -0500
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Hi, Dante -

It would be easier to say which Canon lenses don't show artifacts :-)  That
would be one - the 85/1.2.  I have Canon prime L lenses and a few
telephotos.  With Canon, the longer the lens, the fewer problems it has.
 The wide ones are really, really bad.  I was expecting much better results
from the prime 24/1.4, but it's terrible - examined at 100% in the corners.

Canon EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM Autofocus Lens

It has lots of problems with chromatic aberrations and fringing.  I've never
had a single photo with this lens that I could submit for stock without
considerable post-processing work.   It is possible to remove the CA and
fringing, but it is extra work and something that is not needed with Leica
lenses.

Tina


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> 
wrote:

> Tina:
>
> Can you tell us precisely which Canon cameras and lenses (and what vintage)
> you have used that were so terrible that they could not create good
> pictures?  L glass?  Non L glass?  Zoom?  Prime?  IS?  I'm curious - since
> you keep making these statements about Canons, it would be interesting to
> hear what specifically prompted them.  I don't use Canons, so I won't be
> offended.
>
> I gather that you are talking about post-processing sharpness, since you're
> talking about Canon lenses, not bodies.  My counter-observation, coming 
> from
> the Nikon world, is that you are probably attributing the effect of lacking
> AA filter to "Leica."
>
> I use an M8 alongside a Kodak 14n alongside a Nikon D700.  The 14n, which
> has no AA filter, performs not unlike the M8 when you put a good Nikkor 
> lens
> on it (i.e., a modern AF-s f/2.8 ED lens, pretty much any of the post D1x
> zooms).  Sharpness is phenomenal on the Kodak, no post-processing.  The
> D700, for its part, has a fairly weak AA filter - that is not very far
> behind the M8 on a pixel-for-pixel basis (provided you take a few minutes 
> to
> do the AF fine tune offsets for each lens you use).  That last part, which
> may not exist in the Canon world, does a lot to close the gap between SLR
> focusing accuracy and RF focusing accuracy.
>
> Regards,
> Dante
>
> On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>
> > I have been using Leica cameras and lenses for over 30 years.  Along the
> > way, I've also used quite a few Japanese cameras and lenses.  For my
> > purposes, there is no comparison.  Leica lenses are so much better than
> > Japanese ones in every way.  When I switched to digital, I used Canon
> > cameras and lenses for awhile.   I hate to even look at those photos
> today.
> > The Leica M9 with Leica lenses produces photos with more resolution,
> > greater dynamic range, no chromatic aberrations, no fringing, never any
> need
> > to sharpen.  My post processing on photos made with Leica is minimal to
> > none.  The Canon wide lenses are awful.
> >
> > Of course, your mileage may vary depending on how you use your cameras,
> but
> > if your opinion of Leica is so low, why are you on this list?
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Jan Decher <wanderjan at gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The whole thing with Leica Germany being so much better than anything
> made
> >> in Japan is really bogus. Of course Leica likes to foster and feed this
> >> myth. That's how they get  people to buy M9s for $7000 which will be
> >> outdated digital technology in 2 years just like any other digital
> camera.
> >> And then this whole hoax with the compeletely unaffordable S2 and
> >> abolishing
> >> the entire R line that many here came to love and rely on!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tina Manley, ASMP
> > www.tinamanley.com
> >
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-- 
Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


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