Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/02/27

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Subject: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM
From: wanderjan at gmail.com (Jan Decher)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:42:15 -0500

Not again please, Mark!
As a German your "worship" of everything manufactured in Germany is really
embarrasing to me.

The whole thing with Leica Germany being so much better than anything made
in Japan is really bogus. Of course Leica likes to foster and feed this
myth. That's how they get  people to buy M9s for $7000 which will be
outdated digital technology in 2 years just like any other digital camera.
And then this whole hoax with the compeletely unaffordable S2 and abolishing
the entire R line that many here came to love and rely on!

Perhaps it was true in 1955 but not today. The chrome finish on my 1999
Leica M6 is mediocre at the best - no comparison to my 1950s IIIf and 4/135
Elmar etc.

 You know what those $3000 you shell out for a Summicron 2/35 pay for,
Mark?   5-6 weeks of annual paid vacation and full health and retirement
benefits for engineers and workers at the Solms factory!  That's why Germans
working in Germany actually have time & money to travel and use their
cameras. Something we can only dream off here in the US!
So there. I meant to say this for a long time on this list.

Lasst Euch nicht verarschen, Leute!
Jan

P.S.: Kevin: Buy the 2/35 ZM. I have the 2.8/35 and the 4.5/21 C-Biogons and
they are top value and fantastic image quality.  WiIl buy the 4/85
Tele-Tessar and 1.5/50 Sonnar next.

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Welcome to the LUG Kevin, the ZM Biogon 35 a very nice lens made by
the very nice largest lens company in the world located in Japan.
Its a ZM lens we refer to on the LUG.
It cost a thousand dollars.
A Summicron cost three thousand dollars.
You want to compare them straight across you think that's wise?
The ZM lenses are made in the same faculty that twenty other major
brand named lenes are made. Within viewing distance of each other.
Your post is full of Zeiss lenses are this and  Zeiss lenses  are
that. A Zeiss lens cost three thousand or more dollars and are made
in Germany with high tolerances amazingly high quality control and
expensive choice glass types. For a hundred years.
I own a half dozen for my Hasselblad system.
The feel, look and quality has no resemblance at all to the nifty
cheep stuff Cosina makes for them in Japan - with the Zeiss name on
it. You want to call them a Zeiss lens you're fooling nobody but
yourself. In another time warp dimension can you compare something
straight across which cost a three times difference. Is made to way
less tolerances. Well less quality glasses. Designed for an entirely
different market. You want to save money?
Get a CV or ZM lens for your Leica.
You want a "world glass optic" you have to pay some real Leica money
for it.

[Rabs]
Mark William Rabiner


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