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Subject: [Leica] Collapsible 50mm Elmar and Summicron on M8 M9
From: len-001 at verizon.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:58:15 -0500
References: <C7781932.5C0FD%mark@rabinergroup.com> <p06230904c7786180ac6c@[10.0.1.7]>

I have measured the clearance distance of every collapsible lens I  
own for the benefit of the LUG members. While I use every one of them  
in my M8's, I have never collapsed one. There is only one camera  
where I collapse a lens, a Leica II with a 50mm f3.5 nickel Elmar I  
carry in my pocket sometimes.

Len


On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Henning Wulff wrote:

> At 1:32 AM -0500 1/17/10, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>  Rei,
>>>
>>>  I think it may be a disclaimer in case something goes wrong when
>>>  inserting a lens with some sort of fault. As an example look at the
>>>  end of your Summitar. There are 3 fingers that have slots bent  
>>> up to
>>>  provide a snug fit to the barrel when the lens is extended. If  
>>> one of
>>>  these fingers get bent up too far it can hit the shutter in the
>>>  collapsed condition. Just an idea. Also I believe the old  
>>> collapsible
>>>  90mm Elmar can hit the shutter.
>>>
>>>  Len
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm dying to know how all  you guys have figured this all out!!!
>> Leica says "don't put the retractable lens in your five thousand  
>> dollar
>> camera or...." so you guys go
>>  "I bet that's baloney" and do it anyway and then write about it.
>> What if it WASN'T ok?
>> One  five thousand dollar camrea off to Solms to have its insides  
>> replaced?
>> I can't figure this out!?!
>>
>> Just doing it super slow makes it safe? To me it just seems  
>> impossible!
>>
>> [Rabs]
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
>>
>
>
> You don't just take a lens, mount it and collapse it waiting for  
> the crunch. You measure things first.
>
> It's quite easy to measure, and once you check what the mounting  
> flange to shutter distance is, you know what to stay clear of. You  
> then measure, on a removed but collapsed lens what the distance is  
> between the lens' mounting flange and the back of the lens. You'll  
> find that with all 50's there is plenty of clearance. You can also  
> mount the Super Angulons, both f/4 and f/3.4 and even the Hologon f/ 
> 8, although the latter produces some rather remarkable vignetting.
>
> You can also look to see what intrudes into the chamber between the  
> mounting flange and the shutter from the top, bottom and sides and  
> relate it to the greatest diameter of the collapsing tube, namely  
> the three-prong locking claw.
>
> In any case, the only collapsible lens I have any doubts about is  
> the old 90/4 Elmar (not the current macro Elmar). I don't have one  
> to measure, but all other collapsible lenses, from old Nickel  
> Elmars through Hektors, Summars, Summitars and Summicrons and newer  
> Elmars clear everything easily. As mentioned before, best to mount  
> the lenses in their extended condition, as careless, skewed mount  
> could possible catch something (most probably the focussing arm).
> -- 
>
>    *            Henning J. Wulff
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Replies: Reply from lluisripollquerol at gmail.com (Lluis Ripoll Querol) ([Leica] Collapsible 50mm Elmar and Summicron on M8 M9)
In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Collapsible 50mm Elmar and Summicron on M8 M9)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] Collapsible 50mm Elmar and Summicron on M8 M9)