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Subject: [Leica] Odd digital M flash behavior
From: dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:25:37 -0500
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Should have been "Ted and Jim."  Sorry about that, Marty!

On Dec 28, 2009, at 12:18 AM, Dante Stella wrote:

> Ted and Marty,
> 
> When you are shooting pictures of your own extended family, and among them 
> is a 91-year-old who almost didn't make it to this Christmas and may not 
> make it to the next, there is no redo, there is no second day of the 
> project, and no one is going to be very forgiving of failures, be they of 
> man or machine.  You can appreciate the consequences of getting burned by 
> not using a flash - including shadowed eye sockets, blue channel noise, 
> and inconsistent color balance across the frame.  I'm sure you can also 
> appreciate the consequences of shooting with an f/1.4 lens, not the least 
> of which is putting some members of groups squarely out of focus.  A lot 
> of this evades detection in the five seconds you have to check the frame 
> (if  you even get that).  
> 
> So you bring in a flash to push the light level into a comfort range for 
> the sensor and bring the aperture to a size that keeps everything in 
> focus.  Electronic flash photography has now existed for more than 50 
> years, and if Leica didn't believe in it, the company would not be out 
> selling $600 flashes for the S2 and the M9.  Nor would it have developed a 
> TTL and then a digital TTL system (well, Metz probably did it for Leica).  
> Nor would it have given Metz the serial codes for dedicated TTL ("GNC") 
> function on the Leica modules (Metz, in fact, makes the SF-24D and the 
> SF-58).
> 
> I don't ask my M8 to autofocus, shoot at 64,000 ISO, or even compensate 
> for focus shift in lenses.  But I  do expect it to carry it its extremely 
> limited flash functionality without unpredictable behavior.
> 
> Dante
> 
> NO ARCHIVE
> 
> On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:57 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> <tedgrant at shaw.ca> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Dante asked:
>>>>> What I got last night, repeatedly, was a full-power preflash followed 
>>>>> by a
>>> "normal" preflash.  And this was always on the first shot after the 
>>> camera
>>> was turned on, even if you gave it a second to recognize the flash.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else experience this?  It didn't look like low batteries in the
>>> flash or the camera.  My wife (being ever so practical) thinks this can 
>>> be
>>> solved by "buy[ing] a Nikon [D700]."  But I am not one to let
>>> troubleshooting go so easily.<<<<<<<<<<<,
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" responded:
>> 
>>> Hi Dante,
>>> Simple solution.  With Leica lenses, just forget the flash. ;-)<<<<
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Dante,
>> Jim is quite right! FORGET THE FLASH!
>> It is quite simple really... forget the flash  I don't even own one and 
>> rarely if ever used flash with any of my M cameras over the years. Have I 
>> been burned? Yep on a couple of occaisions, but no big deal. If you can 
>> see it .... YOU CAN SHOOT IT! :-)
>> 
>> All my Christmas happy snaps beginning to end were as "you see it, were 
>> motivated, "SHOOT!" And they were fine. Down loaded with LR, fiddled and 
>> into PhotoShop second look.... print! And not one lost frame other than 
>> for a couple because I hadn't set the ASA to 320.
>> 
>> Go for broke with your M8, shoot a ton of images with the flash buried 
>> under a pile of rocks!! This will keep you from digging them up in 
>> panic.. :-)
>> 
>> cheers,
>> ted
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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