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Subject: [Leica] I wish the LUG was a harsher place. (Long Ramble)
From: mknawabi.lug at gmail.com (Yama Nawabi)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:19:57 -0800
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I also get deterred from leaving a comment on photos because I feel like
everyone is indeed being a little -too- nice sometimes.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:11 AM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at 
mac.com>wrote:

> I appreciate your expressing these thoughts on critiques;
> and agree with what you have to say.
>
> It takes a good deal more time to look at photographs with a critical eye;
> and even more time to express one's opinion thoughtfully and well.
>
> Thank you for inviting us to take that time.
>
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
> On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Neil Beddoe wrote:
>
>   I bought an M9 recently and a few lenses,  revived my dormant
>> photography habit and started posting to the LUG again.  In that short 
>> time
>> I think my photography has improved and its all down to people being 
>> honest
>> with me.
>>
>> The most important thing I've learned since getting the M9 is what kind of
>> photographer I want to be.  I don't do beautiful landscapes because I
>> haven't got the patience or inclination to get up at 4 in the morning for
>> the right light or spend hours in photoshop honing a print and I also know
>> that I'd still be pretty bad at it because frankly I find most landscape
>> photography boring. I'd rather just go there on my bike and look at the
>> scenery.  I'll never be a photojournalist because I think to do it justice
>> you need to immerse yourself in your subject and make sure that your
>> pictures tell the whole story you wanted to tell.  I have a young family 
>> and
>> a full time job and this means that my pictures are limited to my children
>> (and I don't post those anywhere) and the things I see in London in my 
>> 30-40
>> minute walks two or three times a week and on my cycle ride to the railway
>> station.  The pictures I try to take now show what I see in such short 
>> time
>> periods.
>>
>> This group is a great place to force you into some self-reflection. For
>> example some pictures I took of a climate camp in Trafalgar Square were
>> failures because I didn't have the time to spend building the story and 
>> the
>> subject demanded nothing less.   This was pointed out to me pretty 
>> quickly.
>>  A few years ago Ted laid into a picture I took of a street singer in New
>> York because it said nothing and he was absolutely right, it was a duff
>> picture.  The upshot of all this is that I'm pretty certain now when I 
>> take
>> a picture about what I'm trying to say or show and am much more severe 
>> with
>> myself when I'm editing if the picture doesn't match the idea.  This makes
>> it much easier to explain what I saw in a picture if I think its a keeper.
>>
>> I've learned a lot from the negative criticism my pictures receive and
>> almost nothing from the praise (although I've got an ego like everyone 
>> else
>> and all praise is welcome).  I think the LUG can be a bit too gentle on
>> posters some times, perhaps with the idea that any photographic effort
>> should be encouraged.  I'd love to see much more questioning of posters
>> about why they think their picture works and much more honesty if stuff is
>> just no good.  I've noticed that bad photographs tend to get ignored 
>> rather
>> than actively criticised while good ones get loads of responses. This is a
>> shame, really good pictures aren't the ones that need criticism although I
>> can understand that this is quite a friendly place and we want to be nice 
>> to
>> each other.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks to anyone who's said they liked my pictures and many many
>> thanks to people who said they didn't.
>>
>> Neil
>>
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