Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/12/16

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Subject: [Leica] I wish the LUG was a harsher place. (Long Ramble)
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:11:30 -0600
References: <EC10B939-B133-4C32-A7EC-4574E142A216@gmail.com>

I appreciate your expressing these thoughts on critiques;
and agree with what you have to say.

It takes a good deal more time to look at photographs with a critical  
eye;
and even more time to express one's opinion thoughtfully and well.

Thank you for inviting us to take that time.

Regards,
George Lottermoser
george at imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist

On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Neil Beddoe wrote:

> I bought an M9 recently and a few lenses,  revived my dormant  
> photography habit and started posting to the LUG again.  In that  
> short time I think my photography has improved and its all down to  
> people being honest with me.
>
> The most important thing I've learned since getting the M9 is what  
> kind of photographer I want to be.  I don't do beautiful landscapes  
> because I haven't got the patience or inclination to get up at 4 in  
> the morning for the right light or spend hours in photoshop honing  
> a print and I also know that I'd still be pretty bad at it because  
> frankly I find most landscape photography boring. I'd rather just  
> go there on my bike and look at the scenery.  I'll never be a  
> photojournalist because I think to do it justice you need to  
> immerse yourself in your subject and make sure that your pictures  
> tell the whole story you wanted to tell.  I have a young family and  
> a full time job and this means that my pictures are limited to my  
> children (and I don't post those anywhere) and the things I see in  
> London in my 30-40 minute walks two or three times a week and on my  
> cycle ride to the railway station.  The pictures I try to take now  
> show what I see in such short time periods.
>
> This group is a great place to force you into some self-reflection.  
> For example some pictures I took of a climate camp in Trafalgar  
> Square were failures because I didn't have the time to spend  
> building the story and the subject demanded nothing less.   This  
> was pointed out to me pretty quickly.  A few years ago Ted laid  
> into a picture I took of a street singer in New York because it  
> said nothing and he was absolutely right, it was a duff picture.   
> The upshot of all this is that I'm pretty certain now when I take a  
> picture about what I'm trying to say or show and am much more  
> severe with myself when I'm editing if the picture doesn't match  
> the idea.  This makes it much easier to explain what I saw in a  
> picture if I think its a keeper.
>
> I've learned a lot from the negative criticism my pictures receive  
> and almost nothing from the praise (although I've got an ego like  
> everyone else and all praise is welcome).  I think the LUG can be a  
> bit too gentle on posters some times, perhaps with the idea that  
> any photographic effort should be encouraged.  I'd love to see much  
> more questioning of posters about why they think their picture  
> works and much more honesty if stuff is just no good.  I've noticed  
> that bad photographs tend to get ignored rather than actively  
> criticised while good ones get loads of responses. This is a shame,  
> really good pictures aren't the ones that need criticism although I  
> can understand that this is quite a friendly place and we want to  
> be nice to each other.
>
> Anyway, thanks to anyone who's said they liked my pictures and many  
> many thanks to people who said they didn't.
>
> Neil
>
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