Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/11/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mehrdad - To clarify, I don't believe that the M8 was a failure - but the bar is a little higher in 2009 than it was in 2006. Would I have bought an M9 for seven grand in 2006? Yes. But in 2009/2010 - after buying an M8 and practicing for a long time to get over its quirks - the M9 is not as exciting anymore. Like a lot of M8 owners, I simply bought a nice 28mm lens and moved on with life and using the camera. Best, Dante On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:30 PM, mehrdad wrote: > dante the m9 is just the same as m8 with minor improvements and bigger > sensor. so far the factory has been making bodies that are pre-sold. > i think > it is a success! you have an m8 and i don't think you call your > camera a > failure. the m8/9 is as fast as m7 if operated in the same fashion. > david's > review was kind of light even though he has been an rf shooter for a > long > time. > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dante Stella > <dstella1 at ameritech.net> wrote: > >> Mark, this is not about raw speed - though I know that makes for a >> better >> straw-man. >> >> 1. David Keenan is dead-on correct about the M8/M9 >> architecture, which >> has a long shutter lag (six times that of an M3 and double that of >> a D3), is >> slow to a second shot (should/when you need one), and can lock up >> fairly >> easily taking repeated shots, even without mashing down the shutter >> button >> on continuous. I have years of experience with this on the M8 and >> agree >> with Keenan that unresponsiveness - particularly on a first shot - is >> inexcusable. This is even more the case where a camera allegedly is >> designed to capture some "decisive moment." >> >> 2. Two things that didn't get mentioned (and hopefully these >> have not >> carried on to the M9) are (a) the tendency of the M8 to wildly >> overexpose if >> the shutter is pressed too quickly when the meter is "waking up" - >> apparently a bad habit carried over with the M7 meter - and (b) the >> tendency >> not to fire the flash at all if the shutter is tripped too quickly >> after the >> shutter is first pressed. Then go to #1 above for the slow >> recovery from >> the resulting missed shot. >> >> If the M9 is in any way worse than an M8 in responsiveness, it's a >> fail. I >> don't believe that a camera should have any ability to second- >> guess, ask for >> a "do-over," or be asleep on the job when I need it. >> >> The decision when and if to take a picture is not an exercise for a >> committee. >> >> Unless that committee is a committee of one. >> >> Me. >> >> Dante >> >> ____________ >> Dante Stella >> http://www.dantestella.com >> >> NO ARCHIVE >> >> >> On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >> We'll see if anyone else in the world especially a reviewer >> especially a >>> real reviewer thinks there's a speed issue with the camera. As in >>> the >>> camrea shoots too slow. Which he goes on and on about. >>> >>> I wasn't too offended till I got half way down the page and hit the >>> " The Major Flaw of the M9" >>> >>> He's holding the shutter button down until the thing slow up and >>> stops >>> shooting at 2 frames per second and that takes seven or eight >>> exposures. >>> " Inexcusable" he says >>> !?!?! >>> >>> And he insists on shooting "compressed RAW + fine JPG" . >>> Gotta have both. >>> It's gotta be compressed >>> And he's gotta go on and on about it. >>> >>> The last time I held the shutter button down like that on even a >>> DSLR was >>> never. >>> And I've shot skate boarders. >>> >>> But not Golf swing studies. >>> >>> There's a difference between camera bloggers and cameras >>> reviewers. >>> And I'd think the digitaljournalist people would know that. >>> . >>> >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > -- > ------------------------------------- > regards, mehrdad > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information