Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/31

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Subject: [Leica] M9 improvements
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:51:19 +0000
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Henning,


Yes, I know that everyone would rather complain than actually use their 
cameras.  ;-)


I'm outa  here for the day, we're taking one last drive in the Coupe (Before 
I have to store it for the winter) and take some photos with the M8/R8DMR.  
Going up to Western Wisconsin for the day.


Cheers & Happy Shooting,
Gene  -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff <henningw at 
archiphoto.com>: --------------


> At 2:59 AM +0000 10/31/09, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote:
> >
> >All this Bitching about the M8/9 viewfinder....  It works just fine 
> >as is, go out and take pictures and stop crying about the stupid vf.
> >
> 
> 
> Come on, Gene. You KNOW the bitching is more important than any 
> actual photos could ever be. It also takes more skill to do it well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> :-) OK. I'm outa here.
> 
> 
> >
> >Gene  -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff 
> >: --------------
> >
> >
> >>  At 4:36 PM -0700 10/30/09, Frank Filippone wrote:
> >>  >Hey, if you don't speak your mind, the status quo continues.... and 
> >> God
> >>  >knows, our beloved M8 cameras will be upgradeable forever......Right!
> >>  >
> >>  >Daniels has the company line to speak and repeat.  He does so well.  
> >> Yes,
> >>  >the M8/M9 are .68 VF cameras.  Does that make it a) right, b) customer
> >>  >driven, c) the only choice Leica had d) my or your choice?  I don't 
> >> think
> >>  >there is history that says.. they could have, customers had no say, 
> >> not my
> >>  >choice or preference.  YMMV.
> >>  >
> >>  >They did not do a higher mag VF for some reason.. what that real 
> >> reason is,
> >>  >is Leica's secret..... and they ain;t telling us.
> >>  >
> >>  >What I get upset at is the incessant statement that it can not be 
> >> done.  Or
> >>  >that there is no one that wants a higher mag VF.,... I do.  I liked 
> >> my M3
> >>  >finder ... .91 and all that.  Sure, it was useless if you had a 
> >>35mm lens on
> >>  >( without eyes) but it was a wonderful shoot with a 50......Both eyes
> >>  >open..... remember what is was like to not  get a headache if you were
> >>  >following the action with your M3, with both eyes..... so that 
> >>you could see
> >>  >the action come into your frame?
> >>  >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  No. no. no. no. no. no. and no. Well, maybe for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>  A .55, so I can see the 28 frames clearly with glasses, and a .42, so
> >>  I can see the 21 frames clearly with glasses.
> >>
> >>  I like the current M8/9 for 35's and above, but it's a bit too tight
> >>  for the 35 and almost right for the 50. Maybe a 0.8.
> >>
> >>  But right now, if I could have one body that showed me 21mm
> >>  framelines, visible with glasses and another body that had the
> >>  current framelines I'd be delighted.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  >Sure it can be done.  They already did it... the .85 and .58 M6TTL 
> >> cameras
> >>  >are examples.  Maybe you don't like the choices, maybe like me, the 
> >> M6 28
> >>  >finder is not visible with glasses in a .72 body ( not easily, at 
> >> least),
> >>  >maybe they did it for time to market, stubborn Germanic marketing 
> >> theories,
> >>  >or otherwise.
> >>  >
> >>  >But don't blindly say it can't be done or that they will not do 
> >> it.....
> >>  >Market demand focuses efforts on the "impossible" and or stubbornly
> >>  >refused.....and the LUG is one way to getting the word to the uppers 
> >> at
> >>  >Leica that there is a marketing need that needs addressing.....
> >>  >
> >>  >A higher Mag Digi-M would pump demand for the longer lenses, like 
> >>the135 APO
> >>  >Telyt, make focusing easier and more accurate for the Nocti and 
> >> Summilux 50
> >>  >and 75, and Summicron 75, and 90 lenses,  all valid reasons ( the  
> >> main
> >>  >reason for the .85 M6) for a higher VF mag.
> >>  >
> >>  >If market demand created a White M8, then market demand can create a 
> >> higher
> >>  >mag M8., M9, or M10.
> >>  >
> >>  >Whatever happens, never lose sight of the power of the consumer to get
> >>  >products they want, onto the shelves....
> >>  >
> >>  >Speaking of which.. the M9.... No IR filter required, no smaller 
> >> sensor..
> >>  >all impossible, or so we were told.....
> >>  >
> >>  >Nonsense.  Marketing nonsense.
> >>  >
> >>  >Want better low light response than an M8 or M9?  Complain, 
> >> incessantly.
> >>  >
> >>  >It will come... So will my higher mag VF.....
> >>  >
> >>  >Frank Filippone
> >>  >red735i at earthlink.net
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >Of course, there has also been "the final word" from Hans Peter Cohn 
> >> (no
> >>  >digital M) and Steven K. Lee (upgradeable digital M) on many issues.  
> >> So if
> >>  >you don't like what you hear on some issue now, wait for the next CEO.
> >>  >
> >>  >Dante
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >Frank its been hashed over a lot elsewhere and the final word is 
> >>from Stefan
> >>  >Daniel.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> -- 
> 
>     *            Henning J. Wulff
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In reply to: Message from dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella) ([Leica] M9 improvements)
Message from red735i at earthlink.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] M9 improvements)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] M9 improvements)
Message from grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com) ([Leica] M9 improvements)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] M9 improvements)