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Subject: [Leica] Leica Forum
From: r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:21:01 -0400
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Douglas - I hope I didn't.  I think I caught the wink in your eye that  
seemed to be a part of your post.  I expect most of us use a lot of  
non-Leica gear as do you and I.

I was reacting to the recent wave of Leica-philia, a phenomena that  
sweeps the LUG from time to time, not to you or anyone else in  
particular.

Regards,

Dick



On Oct 02, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Douglas Sharp wrote:

> Perhaps you got me wrong, Dick.
>
> I'm also very much indeed with Nathan on this - I regularly use a  
> VERY wide range of cameras and lenses that are not Leica.
>
> Last vacation saw my bag filled with 1 Canon DSLR, 1 Rollei 3003, a  
> Minolta CLE, an almost unused Pentax P30 that I bought for almost  
> nothing in a charity shop while I was there, a Yashica T-AF compact  
> that my mother gave me when she visited. Plus lenses of all kinds -  
> including a Summicron, but since I got back I haven't been able to  
> discover which shots were taken with it.
>
> I think some of the best of the film shots were most probably taken  
> with the Zeiss 3.5/35 T* built into the Yashica, and my favourite  
> digital lens is a WA zoom made by Tokina.
>
> Cheers
> Douglas
>
>
> Richard Taylor wrote:
>> I'm very much with Nathan on this.  If we'd had a Leica-only rule  
>> here, I'd have had to drop off a while ago and missed out on all  
>> the fun.
>>
>> The camera is only a tool, after all, and despite the fact that I'm  
>> almost certainly going to buy an X-1, and maybe even an M9  
>> eventually, all this highfalutin talk about the inherent  
>> superiority of Leica gear makes me shout
>>
>> P I F F L E!
>>
>> Photography Is Fun For Lovers of Every camera!
>>
>> (Tortured, I know, but it's the best I could do on short  
>> notice. ;-)  )
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dick
>> (Who in addition to his D300 owns an M3, a R3A, and about a dozen M- 
>> mount lenses, some going back to the 1960's.  And, over the course  
>> of his lifetime owned and sold a IIIb, a IIIf, a IIIg, a CL, an M2,  
>> an M4, and at least a half-dozen screw mount lenses.)
>>
>>
>> On Oct 02, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>
>>> Which bit, Dick (or all of it) :-)  :-)
>>>
>>> P i f f l e = Photography Is Fun For Leica Enthusiasts
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Douglas
>>>
>>> Richard Taylor wrote:
>>>> Piffle!  :-)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 02, 2009, at 4:03 AM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Geoff,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we are all Leica enthusiasts - well at least I know I am  
>>>>> - but there's a big difference between the enthusiasts here and  
>>>>> the fundamentalist attitudes found on other lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for photos with other equipment (as you well know) so  
>>>>> I'm glad we have a forum here where I, and others, can post  
>>>>> Leica shots AND shots from a very wide range of other cameras /  
>>>>> lenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at this another way, the dyed in the wool Leicaists can  
>>>>> always look at other-brand shots and feel contented that the  
>>>>> shots would have been (technically) much better with Leica  
>>>>> equipment ;-)
>>>>> Vive la difference!
>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>>>>> Nathan I think 'extremist' is pretty unfair. No complaints from  
>>>>>> me about the
>>>>>> cosmopolitan nature of the LUG nor about Jim's Yearbook. Both  
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> supported by me here too. Surely room for a Leica enthusiast  
>>>>>> cadre within
>>>>>> the LUG in my view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/10/2 Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, it the saloonkeeper had taken the extremist, Leica-only  
>>>>>>> line, then I
>>>>>>> would have had to leave the list in 2004. And who knows if I  
>>>>>>> would have
>>>>>>> bought the M8 in Dec. 2008 then. So I am quite pleased that  
>>>>>>> Brian and Jim
>>>>>>> keep a wide open church here. I shoot 99% with the M8 now, but  
>>>>>>> I am solidly
>>>>>>> in camp #1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan (never mind the gear, just look at the pictures)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2009, at 4:53 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two approaches:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     1) The photograph takes precedence over the equipment.
>>>>>>>>     2) LUG based on love (or at least appreciation) of Leica
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tend to agree with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the same time I understand Jim and Brian's open hearts
>>>>>>>> and appreciation of the photograph as most important;
>>>>>>>> irrespective of equipment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Scott Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always wondered why the LUG does not use only Leica  
>>>>>>>> Photographs for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> their yearly book. After all, it is Leica interest that  
>>>>>>>>> brings the group
>>>>>>>>> together, I thought. NOT in any way to diminish the fine  
>>>>>>>>> efforts of Jim
>>>>>>>>> Shulman, but just asking??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>> The new LEICA M9
>>>>>>>>> Passion for perfect pictures.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.m.leica-camera.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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