Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/07/25

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Subject: [Leica] Women
From: stikwa at comcast.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:13:42 -0700
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On Jul 25, 2009, at 8:42 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> Thank you for the reference image Phil.
> I went back and found the photograph.
>
> (I'm now talking about this image
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/L1006915.jpg.html>)


> The photograph does not fit into what I think of as "street  
> photography."
> Nor do I see anything offensive or disrespectful in the photograph.
> I see a beautiful young woman tastefully presented
> as she herself has chosen to present herself in public spaces.
>
> I don't think it's a particularly strong photograph.
> It's a "look at this beautiful young woman on this lovely summer  
> day" catch.
> I gave it 1 second glance when first posted some days ago.

what George said...

hardly a masterpiece but then again...this photo, this photographer...

anyone who sees something here to get their shorts in a knot over....


proves my point exactly,  which was..

"the leer is from the viewer..."


Steve



>
> If I were going to attach a genre name to the image
> it falls most closely into a "candid, environmental portrait" genre;
> to my way of thinking.
>
> Because Ann's 22 year old daughter lives with us
> I know how much time (probably) went into this subjects "look" for  
> the day.
> She decided how she wanted to be "seen."
>
> I cannot imagine that this photograph
> presents a moral dilemma for a photographer
> or a photographic community with,
> what often seems like,
> a distinct preference for documentary photographs.
>
> Here's examples of what advertisers feed our young people as fashion  
> and style sense:
> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/21/sex-in-the-sky-most-scand_n_241965.html
>  
> >
>
> This combined with the fact that apparently young (and in some cases  
> very young) people
> currently send nude photographs of each other on their cell phones
> is socio/cultural discussion worth having on photographic list.
>
>
> I have the utmost respect for women.
> I grew up with a mother and sister (and absent father).
> I lived with a wife and daughter for 25 years;
> and have lived with Ann and her daughter for over 20 more.
> My 4 year old granddaughter qualifies as the most beautiful person  
> in my life at the moment.
>
> I feel no shame in appreciating the beauty of either my own or the  
> opposite sex (of any age).
> Healthy appreciation does not suddenly become "lecherous" by one  
> person's proclamation.
>
> We are both sensual and sexual beings.
> Our novels, poems, films, music and visual art celebrate
> and endlessly examine that fact.
> These are not "red herrings."
>
> Certainly people will always question taste and or limits.
> However, the photograph in question does not cross any sort of line
> regarding respect or lecherous intent to my eyes.
>
> Obviously, it does for others.
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
> On Jul 25, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>> the leer thanks to the viewer,  not from the person who took the  
>> photo,
>
>
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