[Leica] Why Leicas with Nazi symbols should be trashed,

[h_arche at yahoo.com (H. Ball Arche)]

I had been given to believe that the swastika is one of those few 
ideographs, like the rayed sun/circle, that has dated to neolithic times and 
can be found in the record of virtually all cultures and continents. It 
certainly was used by the Native Americans, and I think that it even had 
significance in the Hebrew Kabalah. 


----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Haight <rhaightjr at yahoo.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:19:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Leicas with Nazi symbols should be trashed,


Actually, the Nazi swastika is an ancient Roman cross which did not have any 
negative connotations at the time. Bob

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:

> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Leicas with Nazi symbols should be trashed,
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 12:52 AM
> Jayanand, some of us who care do in
> fact boycott companies whose misbehaviour is particularly
> egregious. In the 1970s many of us boycotted Nestle, for
> example, because of its insidious marketing practices for
> baby formula in the 3rd world etc. Following Exxon's
> deplorable behavious following the Exxon Valdez oil spill I
> would rather run out of petrol than buy at an Exxon/Esso
> station etc.
> 
> As for the swastika, I do realize that it is an ancient
> Hindu symbol, but I always thought that in that version it
> is 45% rotated compared to the Nazi version? At least that
> is the way it is in Copenhagen, where it adorns two of the
> four stone elephants at the entrance to the Carlsberg
> brewery. Those were made in the 19th century and have been
> left as they were, although the guides showing you around
> are somewhat embarassed.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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> 
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
> 
> > Douglas,
> > I am sure that an ordinary Hindu would not mind
> carrying a camera with a
> > swastika at all - in all probability, he will be
> totally ignorant of the
> > Nazi connection. There are a lot of Hindus, Buddhists
> and Jains in the
> > world!
> > 
> > Its all a question of the winners who write history
> and influence the
> > thinking of the succeeding generations - the 'good'
> guys and the 'bad' guys
> > is only your point of view, it is seldom very clear
> cut, except to a
> > propaganda machine. Mao killed a lot more of his
> citizens than Hitler did,
> > but none of us think twice about buying Chinese made
> goods, essentially made
> > under the same regime. Don't you have the same
> revulsion when you walk into
> > Wal Mart?
> > 
> > Multinational firms have traditionally been remarkably
> free of ethical
> > considerations relative to the boss' bonus, i.e. the
> bottom line. A lot of
> > the consumer items you buy have been made in Gulag
> like working conditions
> > all over the world. There are companies who have
> marketed infant food in
> > Asia & Africa that had been banned in Europe and
> the USA. Food grains are
> > destroyed and burnt to keep prices up for farmers,
> rather than send it free
> > to the hungry all over the world.  Is that not
> revolting? Will you boycott
> > such companies/regimes? Or just pay lip service?
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Douglas Nygren <dnygr at cshore.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> In an age when people wear labels as if they were
> branded, why would any
> >> sane person want to be seen holding a camera with
> a Swaktika on it?
> >> 
> >> These cameras are damaged goods pure and simple.
> It's not the cameras'
> >> fault. Cameras made at the same time but do not
> bear bear the Swastika don't
> >> bear the burden of the symbol as much.
> >> 
> >> Doug
> >> 
> >> 
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