Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/07/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Even older, Bob, there are stones carved with swastikas dating for the late stone age / early bronze age in the UK. Supposed to be a symbol for the sun. Cheers Douglas Bob Haight wrote: > Actually, the Nazi swastika is an ancient Roman cross which did not have > any negative connotations at the time. Bob > > --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > > >> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Leicas with Nazi symbols should be trashed, >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 12:52 AM >> Jayanand, some of us who care do in >> fact boycott companies whose misbehaviour is particularly >> egregious. In the 1970s many of us boycotted Nestle, for >> example, because of its insidious marketing practices for >> baby formula in the 3rd world etc. Following Exxon's >> deplorable behavious following the Exxon Valdez oil spill I >> would rather run out of petrol than buy at an Exxon/Esso >> station etc. >> >> As for the swastika, I do realize that it is an ancient >> Hindu symbol, but I always thought that in that version it >> is 45% rotated compared to the Nazi version? At least that >> is the way it is in Copenhagen, where it adorns two of the >> four stone elephants at the entrance to the Carlsberg >> brewery. Those were made in the 19th century and have been >> left as they were, although the guides showing you around >> are somewhat embarassed. >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: >> >> >>> Douglas, >>> I am sure that an ordinary Hindu would not mind >>> >> carrying a camera with a >> >>> swastika at all - in all probability, he will be >>> >> totally ignorant of the >> >>> Nazi connection. There are a lot of Hindus, Buddhists >>> >> and Jains in the >> >>> world! >>> >>> Its all a question of the winners who write history >>> >> and influence the >> >>> thinking of the succeeding generations - the 'good' >>> >> guys and the 'bad' guys >> >>> is only your point of view, it is seldom very clear >>> >> cut, except to a >> >>> propaganda machine. Mao killed a lot more of his >>> >> citizens than Hitler did, >> >>> but none of us think twice about buying Chinese made >>> >> goods, essentially made >> >>> under the same regime. Don't you have the same >>> >> revulsion when you walk into >> >>> Wal Mart? >>> >>> Multinational firms have traditionally been remarkably >>> >> free of ethical >> >>> considerations relative to the boss' bonus, i.e. the >>> >> bottom line. A lot of >> >>> the consumer items you buy have been made in Gulag >>> >> like working conditions >> >>> all over the world. There are companies who have >>> >> marketed infant food in >> >>> Asia & Africa that had been banned in Europe and >>> >> the USA. Food grains are >> >>> destroyed and burnt to keep prices up for farmers, >>> >> rather than send it free >> >>> to the hungry all over the world. Is that not >>> >> revolting? Will you boycott >> >>> such companies/regimes? Or just pay lip service? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Douglas Nygren <dnygr at cshore.com> >>> >> wrote: >> >>>> In an age when people wear labels as if they were >>>> >> branded, why would any >> >>>> sane person want to be seen holding a camera with >>>> >> a Swaktika on it? >> >>>> These cameras are damaged goods pure and simple. >>>> >> It's not the cameras' >> >>>> fault. Cameras made at the same time but do not >>>> >> bear bear the Swastika don't >> >>>> bear the burden of the symbol as much. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> >> information >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> >> information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >