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Subject: [Leica] Why Leicas with Nazi symbols should be trashed,
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:25:43 +0200
References: <241245.31086.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Even older, Bob,

there are stones carved with swastikas dating for the late stone age / 
early bronze age in the UK.

Supposed to be a symbol for the sun.

Cheers
Douglas

Bob Haight wrote:
> Actually, the Nazi swastika is an ancient Roman cross which did not have 
> any negative connotations at the time. Bob
>
> --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Leicas with Nazi symbols should be trashed,
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 12:52 AM
>> Jayanand, some of us who care do in
>> fact boycott companies whose misbehaviour is particularly
>> egregious. In the 1970s many of us boycotted Nestle, for
>> example, because of its insidious marketing practices for
>> baby formula in the 3rd world etc. Following Exxon's
>> deplorable behavious following the Exxon Valdez oil spill I
>> would rather run out of petrol than buy at an Exxon/Esso
>> station etc.
>>
>> As for the swastika, I do realize that it is an ancient
>> Hindu symbol, but I always thought that in that version it
>> is 45% rotated compared to the Nazi version? At least that
>> is the way it is in Copenhagen, where it adorns two of the
>> four stone elephants at the entrance to the Carlsberg
>> brewery. Those were made in the 19th century and have been
>> left as they were, although the guides showing you around
>> are somewhat embarassed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>
>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Douglas,
>>> I am sure that an ordinary Hindu would not mind
>>>       
>> carrying a camera with a
>>     
>>> swastika at all - in all probability, he will be
>>>       
>> totally ignorant of the
>>     
>>> Nazi connection. There are a lot of Hindus, Buddhists
>>>       
>> and Jains in the
>>     
>>> world!
>>>
>>> Its all a question of the winners who write history
>>>       
>> and influence the
>>     
>>> thinking of the succeeding generations - the 'good'
>>>       
>> guys and the 'bad' guys
>>     
>>> is only your point of view, it is seldom very clear
>>>       
>> cut, except to a
>>     
>>> propaganda machine. Mao killed a lot more of his
>>>       
>> citizens than Hitler did,
>>     
>>> but none of us think twice about buying Chinese made
>>>       
>> goods, essentially made
>>     
>>> under the same regime. Don't you have the same
>>>       
>> revulsion when you walk into
>>     
>>> Wal Mart?
>>>
>>> Multinational firms have traditionally been remarkably
>>>       
>> free of ethical
>>     
>>> considerations relative to the boss' bonus, i.e. the
>>>       
>> bottom line. A lot of
>>     
>>> the consumer items you buy have been made in Gulag
>>>       
>> like working conditions
>>     
>>> all over the world. There are companies who have
>>>       
>> marketed infant food in
>>     
>>> Asia & Africa that had been banned in Europe and
>>>       
>> the USA. Food grains are
>>     
>>> destroyed and burnt to keep prices up for farmers,
>>>       
>> rather than send it free
>>     
>>> to the hungry all over the world.  Is that not
>>>       
>> revolting? Will you boycott
>>     
>>> such companies/regimes? Or just pay lip service?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Douglas Nygren <dnygr at cshore.com>
>>>       
>> wrote:
>>     
>>>> In an age when people wear labels as if they were
>>>>         
>> branded, why would any
>>     
>>>> sane person want to be seen holding a camera with
>>>>         
>> a Swaktika on it?
>>     
>>>> These cameras are damaged goods pure and simple.
>>>>         
>> It's not the cameras'
>>     
>>>> fault. Cameras made at the same time but do not
>>>>         
>> bear bear the Swastika don't
>>     
>>>> bear the burden of the symbol as much.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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