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Subject: [Leica] Hartblei tilt shift rotation lenses get Zeiss name
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:15:13 -0700
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That is exactly how this operation started, Tim. the lenses were 
initially designs for Ukrainian/Russian MF cameras which Hartblei 
found another use for. Their images circles allows them to cover the 
35mm format with extensive movements. Hartblei's innovation was to 
make a workable flexible mount. The lenses were variable in quality, 
but some were apparently quite excellent.

Shift and tilt-and-shift lenses for 35mm all are essentially 'Medium 
Format' lenses; otherwise they wouldn't work. The lenses and optical 
designs don't care whether the image they produce gets imaged onto 
35mm format, 4/3 format or 6x6 format. While it's true that it's 
harder producing a lens that covers a larger format with the same 
performance as one for a smaller format, it doesn't mean that the 
lenses with larger image circles are always worse. The 35mm TS Canon 
I have is an outstanding lens by any measure and it certainly covers 
6x6. The 24TSE that Canon just discontinued is a relatively poor lens 
and would be seen as such on 6x6 just as it is on 35mm. The 
introductory information on the new 17 and 24mm Canon TSE's gives me 
high hopes for excellent performance. The new Zeiss/Harblei lenses 
are rather uninteresting to me, as were the earlier Hartblei lenses 
because of their longer focal lengths, but at the Zeiss prices they 
had better be rather special compared with the 45 and 85/90mm focal 
lengths of the Canon and Nikon equivalents. The ease of switching 
axes for the shift/tilt isn't such a big deal under most 
circumstances once you have your main workflow set.



At 1:17 PM -0400 3/31/09, Tim Gray wrote:
>I guess I kind of assumed that this company was merely repackaging
>existing MF lens designs that were NOT meant for movements on MF into
>35mm tilt/shift lenses.  But maybe that was a poor assumption.
>
>On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  Tim,
>>  Yes that is true. However Canon and Nikon do make TS lenses for 
>>35mm. It's probably completely unnoticable in such fine glass as 
>>Zeiss, but I do believe the lines per inch is significantly less in 
>>a 6x6 design vs a 35mm lens design. I do think there is a bit of a 
>>need to move more glass by this company and adoption to these 
>>bodies is to some degree (probably large, IMO) driven by that. No 
>>problem; like I said, probably unnoticable. I'd like to have the 40 
>>to compare!!
>>  Now back to taking photos...
>>  Best,
>>  Bob
>>   Bob Adler

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