Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/02/17

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Cheaper Leica
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Tue Feb 17 00:03:41 2009
References: <200902170300.n1H30IaS007669@server1.waverley.reid.org> <7875AF61-89CE-4F46-B685-BFE10DE1B82D@optonline.net> <36172e5a0902162241h19c3de47h7b79ac76190bf796@mail.gmail.com> <8D555D84-5209-44D9-B16F-FA733180E6E6@teleport.com>

I actually found the original e-film idea like this I remenbered now, going
back about 10 years, It was initially going to take 24x 1.3MP shots. The
vaporwarwe version at the end was meant to capture a 10MP image, that one
announced back in 2002.
Never quite made it ;-)
 Google EFS-1 or EFS10-SF for a peep.

2009/2/17 Mark Kronquist <mak@teleport.com>

> I have actually tried to homebrew M backs with VERY poor results from MF
> 4MB Sensors mounted on M back doors as tethered units....
>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>
> Larry, I think your design concept is safe from any patent infringement!
>> OK, put down that 6th triple espresso and back away from the keyboard
>> slowly
>> ;-)
>> We have a saying over here commonly used in a friendly way... Don't give
>> up
>> your day job ;-) ;-)
>>
>> 2009/2/17 Lawrence Zeitlin <lrzeitlin@optonline.net>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Geoff wrote:
>>>
>>> The 'CL of digital' seems to have popular support on the internet forums.
>>>
>>>> It
>>>> certainly sounds like Leica are hinting in that direction. I don't see
>>>> what
>>>> you could remove from the M8 design to make it much simpler though. If
>>>> that
>>>> is so, you need a much cheaper to manufacture body with an M mount. If
>>>> that
>>>> means an EVF I think it would lose its rangefinder essence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. The CL cost much less than the M series Leicas to
>>> produce.
>>> They sold retail for about 1/3 the price. I bought one new in 1970 for
>>> less
>>> than $400 USD. While I have no definitive knowledge, I suspect that the
>>> bulk
>>> of of the cost of the M8 comes from the mechanical and optical parts.
>>> With a
>>> digital CL using the mass marketed mini 4/3 components, it could sell for
>>> considerably less than the M8 yet still use an optical RF system. It all
>>> depends on whether Leica is making enough money from selling a small
>>> number
>>> of expensive M8s or wants to broaden its base by selling many more
>>> cheaper
>>> digital CLs. Remember that Leica killed the CL because it was selling too
>>> many of them and felt that it was cannibalizing sales of the M cameras.
>>> Perhaps Konica Minolta still has the tooling tucked away in some
>>> warehouse.
>>>
>>> Alternatively Leica, or another supplier, could retrofit existing M
>>> cameras
>>> for digital photography by making a 4/3 digital sensor module to replace
>>> the
>>> inspection door in the back and incorporate digital electronics in a
>>> somewhat enlarged base plate. Everything else is already there, the
>>> shutter,
>>> the range finder and the view finder. You would have to advance the
>>> "film"
>>> normally to cock the shutter. In addition to extending the useful life of
>>> a
>>> generation of film cameras, the original back door could be replaced to
>>> use
>>> film if desired.
>>>
>>> Leica, you can have my suggestion without a fee. I'll even let you have a
>>> couple of M3s to modify digitally, as long as I can get them back.
>>>
>>> Larry Z
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> 'Licence to Chill'
>>
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-- 
Cheers
Geoff
'Licence to Chill'

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