Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/02/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I found the Zeiss 18/2.8 to be very well built. Also huge and heavy! The VC 15mm 4.5 Heliar lens is rather poorly made in comparison to the Zeiss 18mm and even to the VC 12/5.6. Greg Lorenzo Calgary, Canada > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:10:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [Leica] New 18 mm > lens> From: mark@rabinergroup.com> To: lug@leica-users.org> > Gene you're > the only one on the internet to use the term "cheap" in relation> in any > way to the Zeiss Distagon T* ZM 15mm f/2.8 lens a copy of which I'm> sure > is sitting in a glass case in the Louvre; with invisible laser beams> all > over the place.> My only thought of is that at Photokina you had jet lag. > And funny lighting.> Or you were in the Diana booth by mistake.> It's fit > finish and results get nothing but glowing reports from all I can> > google.> A large photo of it is here it looks like Zeiss Hasselblad or > Zeiss Contarex> to me.> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/images62/zm15-pic.jpg> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/zeiss-m-mount.shtml> > > The fact that a Cosina lens might not have such a great build and finish> > does not bother me. I use nikon lenses which cost 99 bucks and feel like> > Barbie accessories. The image quality is most all I care about.> I use a > Nikon lens made by Cosina, the 45mm 2.8P and its finish is at par> with > Nikon though its price would assure this.> > Cosina is an innovative > company which gives Leica users added choices.> I'm glad they're around > and use their stuff.> > My smart money is on the finish and build of a > real Zeiss made in Germany> mount or lens or Garlic press over one made by > Cosina.> > Read Herbert Keppler visits the factory in April 20006 and > notice his Tilley> hat:> > " Gone is the ryokan, replaced by a > multistoried hotel. Gone, too, are the> Yashica, Olympus, and Chinon > factories: to Asia or oblivion. But not Cosina,> which remains one of the > few camera and lensmakers, manufacturing> exclusively in Japan."> > " > Kobayashi has gained something of a triumph with his 19?35mm f/3.5?4.5> > lens, sold under the Phoenix, Promaster, Ritz Quantaray, Tokina, Tamron, > and> Vivitar labels, all at the same time."> > > http://www.popphoto.com/blogsandcolumns/2307/speaking-frankly-the-contrary-m> > ind-of-hirofumi-kobayashi.html> > > > Mark William Rabiner> > > > > From: > <grduprey@mchsi.com>> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>> > > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:22:38 +0000> > To: Leica Users Group > <lug@leica-users.org>> > Subject: Re: [Leica] New 18 mm lens> > > > > > > > > Mark,> > > > > > That was not a complaint, just a bit of info as to the > possible price> > difference. Personally, I have not been impressed by > the Cosina Zeiss> > lenses, but that is just my impression. I took a > close look at the Zeiss 15mm> > M mount lens at Photokina and thought that > it was very cheaply made, which was> > a shock as it is supposed to be > made by Zeiss in Germany. The others which> > are made by Cosina seem > similar to me. I now others here own and have used> > the CZ lenses and > think very highly of them. JMHO.> > > > > > Gene> > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message from Mark Rabiner > <mark@rabinergroup.com>:> > --------------> > > > > >> The reason a lot of > photographers over the decades justified not using Leica> >> was that > reason;> >> The price of the German Mark.> >> They'd say your just paying > for Economics.> >> > >> What your paying for are higher grade materials, > Glass, metals and plastics,> >> better design and lenses made in smaller > amounts with all that comes with> >> it, a main thing being quality > control.> >> > >> But other than that, yea, Leica is just a waste of > money.> >> > >> > >> Mark William Rabiner> >> > >> > >> > >>> From: > >>> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group> >>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:20:13 +0000> > >>> To: Leica Users Group> >>> Subject: RE: [Leica] New 18 mm lens> >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> The Zeiss lens is made by Cosina and in Japan. The Leica > lens is made in> >>> Germany, which most likely accounts for the higher > cost.> >>> > >>> > >>> Gene -------------- Original message from "Frank > Filippone"> >>> : --------------> >>> > >>> > >>>> Maybe it is a change in > marketing focus rather than a small sensor> >>>> issue..... Focusing the > lens into the hands of the M8 users.....> >>>> > >>>> But still, I would > prefer it say that it covers the 24x36 format......(> >>>> because no M8 > lives with me......)> >>>> > >>>> Competitively the Zeiss 18 is $1000 or > so.... F4 ( as well), and is small (> >>>> I think). This lens is $3K or > so.....> >>>> Is the Zeiss lens made in Japan by Cosina or is it a German > lens? How is> >>>> the build quality on the Zeiss?> >>>> > >>>> I > wonder... if the M8 is only a smaller sensor, why introduce lenses for> > >>>> the> >>>> "old" (24x36) market....?> >>>> I just have to believe > there is a M9 with full 24x36 sensor coming> >>>> soon....... or maybe an > M10? M11?> >>>> > >>>> Frank Filippone> >>>> red735i@earthlink.net> >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I'm quite convinced it covers 24x36.> >>>> > >>>> a. > Kaufmann said all their lenses would.> >>>> > >>>> b. It's very large for > a lens that only covers the M8 format.> >>>> Remember, a lens that covers > the same angle of view and has the same> >>>> speed and was also designed > very recently (the 24/3.8) is a lot> >>>> smaller.> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________> > >>>> Leica Users Group.> >>>> See > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information> >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________> >>> Leica Users > Group.> >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________> >> Leica Users Group.> >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information> > > > > _______________________________________________> > Leica Users Group.> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Leica Users Group.> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. 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