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Subject: [Leica] Neopan Advice
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Sun Jan 11 15:11:01 2009
References: <C58FD69F.480DB%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Is it over exposing?
Metering for the shadows with negatives, color or BW, is well attested.
Setting the ISO a stop, or so, lower is just a lazy approach to what  
should be an individual exposure for the shadows every time. Though  
by now, matrix metering as pretty much done away with that level of  
personal intervention in generating a serviceable image.
However, not using the controls available to you, for a faithful  
rendition of the scene's values, is the worse thing one can do as a  
photographer.
On the other hand, an interpretive (i.e. fine art) image transcends  
that qualification. Mainly from the stand point that photographic  
fine art teaching environments do not teach technical craft mastery.  
That lack of mastery then becomes the form from which the content is  
elicited.
sd


On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> I would disagree fully with over exposing and under developing to  
> temper
> contrast or anything else.
> Over exposing and under developing is the worst thing you can do to  
> film
> period.
> Exclamation point!
>
>
>
> Mark William Rabiner
>
>
>
>> From: Michiel Fokkema <michiel.fokkema@wanadoo.nl>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:07:50 +0100
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Neopan Advice
>>
>> Hi Tina,
>>
>> In general you should overexpose and  under develop to temper the  
>> contrast.
>> When I run into a bit more contrast I rate my films a stop slower and
>> develop as recommended in the literature. I use only xtol because  
>> of its
>> versatility.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Michiel Fokkema
>>
>> Tina Manley wrote:
>>> LUG:
>>> This trip I've decided to take only Leicas - my two M8's and one M7.
>>> I'm going to take B&W film and try to think in B&W again.  I'm also
>>> taking my Noctilux which I love but have never been able to use  
>>> with my
>>> M8's, so I'm looking forward to using that.  I am worried about  
>>> the high
>>> contrast that I'll run into in the Andes.  When I was in Bolivia,  
>>> the
>>> shadows were so black, I'm still trying to work with those photos.
>>>
>>> Slobodan, you suggested Neopan for blocked shadows.  What  
>>> developer do
>>> you use?  Dilutions, temperatures and times? I use a Jobo so any
>>> suggestions you have for developing for film that will be scanned  
>>> would
>>> be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> Tina Manley
>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>
>>>
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