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Subject: [Leica] New TMY
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sat Jan 10 12:16:31 2009

The thickness also makes for them not coming out with it in 220 which for me
means much less of a chance of me shooting it.
A thin film? A result of development.
Does everybody uniformly under develop T max 100?
That doesn't ring a reality bell with me.
In general its not great to over develop tab grain films.
A little bit less great than over developing regular films.

Tmax 100 or TMY I prefer the non acronymious version of the word I'm sure is
a stupendous film.
They said it replaced Panatomic X which was an ISO 32 film and my signature
film. In no way was that true.
And its not so great with Xtol.
I got nice results with it with Rodinal and D76 1:1 way way back when it
first came out.


Mark William Rabiner



> From: Robert Meier <robertmeier@usjet.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:55:21 -0600 (CST)
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] New TMY
> 
> The greater thickness of 120 T-Max films is a great advantage, at
> least for me.   With Tri-X and Plus-X I tend to get those  little
> half-moon crimps in negatives, even when I'm being very careful not
> to create them.   I think they are either sui generis or just plain
> magic.   At any rate, they sometimes show up in a print as a dark
> crescent and are very annoying.    Not with T-Max!  The thickness of
> T-Max makes them impossible, and I very much appreciate that.    I
> have used T-Max developer for many years.   By being careful not to
> overdevelop, I've avoided the highlights problem, although, for some
> reason, I get blocked highlights with 35mm T-Max 400 under the same
> circumstances.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On Jan 10, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
> 
>> Tmax is notorious for blocking highlights. It's almost impossible
>> to do a time exposure with it to get a "foggy" water effect. Even
>> Sexton prints that I've seen, done from Tmax films, seem to have a
>> problem with highlights.
>> Now if you look at Caponigro's work with older emulsions, well,
>> there's just no comparison!
>> On the other hand, when Tmax first came out, that emulsion was also
>> different. It was so clean, with such a great mid range, that 120
>> looked like it was shoot with 4x5. Of course, it was processed with
>> Tmax chemistry. The film itself was also much thicker. I had to
>> have my SL66 back re-adjusted to that.
>> sd
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2009, at 8:13 AM, Dante Stella wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks.  I never used large tank times until I saw in a recent
>>> Kodak leaflet (with the new TMY) that large meant 1/2 gallon and
>>> up. I usually batch 8 rolls of 135 or 5 of 120, which is 2.5L in
>>> the tank.  I usually use small-tank times with inversions for 30
>>> seconds, then 4 turns every minute (so essentially the large tank
>>> inversion).
>>> 
>>> I just ran another load this morning, this time original TMY -
>>> definitely comes out heavier.  Same time, same temp, and this was
>>> the *second* time the D-76 was being used.
>>> 
>>> It's interesting that you have shadow problems in CA - when I was
>>> in the desert outside LA shooting a few years ago and very
>>> recently in Mexico City, the biggest problem was not shadow
>>> separation but highlights - you could shoot with filters or
>>> without, pushing or not, and still get poor cloud/sky separation.
>>> I don't know if light meters go crazy at altitude or whether the
>>> human eye is better capable of separating those tones than film is
>>> (my surmise was that the blue light was off the chart and it was
>>> shouldering out in the highlights).  It's a bizarre issue that I
>>> never seem to have in places that are relatively close to sea level.
>>> 
>>> D
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Wrong list to ask about real film issues.
>>>> They've gone over to the chip side.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the "thinness" is a possible adjustment for scanning.
>>>> I've seen a source for this, but can't recall where. I tended to
>>>> print on 3 or 3? on the old stuff, and still print about there
>>>> with the new stuff.
>>>> What do you call a large tank?
>>>> An 8 35mm reel tank, or 4 reel 120, is not considered a large
>>>> tank, even though one is using ? gal of chemistry.
>>>> I find that I still have to pull my processing, as I shoot 400 at
>>>> 200, due to the high contrast in So Cal.
>>>> But Shooting Neopan 400 at 200, and 1600 at 800, still requires
>>>> full processing time, if not longer depending on the situation.
>>>> 
>>>> sd
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 10, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Dante Stella wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Three questions for people who have used this film...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Should negatives look essentially like old TMY negatives,
>>>>> i.e., a little thin?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. Has Kodak abandoned the distinction between 120 and 35mm
>>>>> development times?  I seem to recall this being an issue in the
>>>>> past, but looking at the latest Kodak developing time charts,
>>>>> that distinction has disappeared (could this be related to the
>>>>> "new" versions of TX and TMY)?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. Does anyone  have a large-tank starting time for D-76 1:1 at
>>>>> any temperature?  Kodak doesn't have any recommendations.  It's
>>>>> not as if 1:1 is going to lead to any abnormally short
>>>>> development time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Dante
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ____________
>>>>> Dante Stella
>>>>> http://www.dantestella.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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