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Subject: [Leica] Nathan's PAD 19/12/2008: Wilma and my M8
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Sun Dec 21 21:55:48 2008
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Hi Nathan, I have ACR, not LR, however the engine is the same. Do you not 
have a "detail ' panel in LR?
Of course I agree on the high quality of well exposed M8 DNGs
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo@frozenlight.eu>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Nathan's PAD 19/12/2008: Wilma and my M8


> Hi Geoff,
>
> My RAW converter has been Lightroom since I adopted it as my one and  only 
> image-processing tool in early 2007. Certainly it does not apply  any 
> develop settings when I import the RAW files. Perhaps there is  something 
> going on deep in the bowels of the underlying conversion  engine, i.e. 
> Adobe Camera Raw, but if so, then it was also going on  when I imported 
> Canon and Olympus RAW files, and I never got this type  of image quality 
> with those, not straight from the camera. So I  believe that the picture 
> is still valid as an illustration of the  capabilities of the M8.
>
> I don't expect much disagreement from you--after all, it was seeing  one 
> of your RAW files from your M8 that pushed me over the edge (OK,  the 
> falling pound and the UK rebates helped too...)
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>
> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
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>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>
>> Hi Nathan that is so, however the Raw converter very likely defaults  to 
>> some sharpening, basically capture sharpening, as well as some  noise 
>> reduction. Certainly you can turn it off, but it is likely on  by 
>> default.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo@frozenlight.eu
>> >
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nathan's PAD 19/12/2008: Wilma and my M8
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jayanand,
>>>
>>> No, the M8 manual explicitly states that settings such as contrast, 
>>> sharpnesss and colour saturation have no effect if you shoot RAW  (i.e. 
>>> DNG).
>>>
>>> When I import images into Lightroom, by default no manipulation is 
>>> applied to them. I want to control what happens to each image.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>
>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nathan,
>>>> That is terrific - just check that there is no default sharpening 
>>>> enabled in
>>>> RAW, which would kick in the Raw converter. Nikon always have some 
>>>> default
>>>> sharpening on, which one has to switch off, either in camera, or  in 
>>>> Capture.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo@frozenlight.eu
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To illustrate in more detail of what I was talking about on  Friday, 
>>>>> I have
>>>>> added a 100% crop of what I focused on (Wilma's eye). Again, no 
>>>>> sharpening
>>>>> of any kind has been applied.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#440375031_nNzbw-O-LB
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that this is a handheld picture at a rather lively 
>>>>> lunch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> After the discussion about the M8 colour issues when filters are   not 
>>>>> used
>>>>>> in mixed lighting, it is time to show one that demonstrates why  I 
>>>>>> bought the
>>>>>> M8. This is just a simple portrait of my co-worker Wilma, taken 
>>>>>> during our
>>>>>> Christmas lunch in a restaurant this afternoon. The image is not 
>>>>>> sharpened,
>>>>>> and the only things I did to it in Lightroom was to click on  AUTO 
>>>>>> to adjust
>>>>>> the levels, and to crop it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#439518642_H5Ymx-O-LB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I zoom in on Wilma's eye in Lightroom, I can see why I  bought 
>>>>>> the M8
>>>>>> (and also that the 35mm Summarit is a great lens). This image is 
>>>>>> sharper
>>>>>> right out of the camera than I would have gotten from my E3 or 
>>>>>> previously my
>>>>>> Canon 1DII, after sharpening in those cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search? search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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