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Subject: [Leica] M-lenses on M8
From: sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner)
Date: Wed Dec 10 03:44:11 2008
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Luis, DR and Rigid Summicrons are optically identical, except for the 
occasionally varying exact focal length of Rigids that have no effect 
whatever on imagery

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lluis Ripoll" <luisripoll@telefonica.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] M-lenses on M8


> Thanks for showing Peter, great demonstration of the qualities, I hope
> when I finallt?y decide go to M8's... my Summicron Rigid gave the same
> quality, after what I read from Putts optically are the same.
>
> Saludos cordiales
> Lluis
>
>
> El 09/12/2008, a las 8:17, Peter Klein escribi?:
>
>> Seth:
>>
>> Great to see you here.  I can likewise vouch for the Rigid on the
>> M8.  I have a DR, which as you know is the same lens.  After some
>> hemming and hawing, I had DAG grind down the close-focus part of the
>> cam so I could use it on the M8.  No regrets--it has the same "it"
>> quality on the M8 that it did on film:  Smooth transitions, very
>> nice fine detail, and a little bleed of bright highlights into
>> adjacent dark areas that gave a little "glow" to the proceedings.
>>
>> On the M8, 50mm has a marked short telephoto quality, but I find
>> myself using it fairly often. Here are a few DR/M8 shots:
>>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004685-w.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004642Crop-w.jpg.html
>> >
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004637-w.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004636-w.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004621JimGreenGesture-w.jpg.html
>> >
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004626Darkside-w.jpg.html
>> >
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004596StretchBW-w.jpg.html
>> >
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004603ChowShibaBW-w.jpg.html
>> >
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004593TheaterBW-w.jpg.html
>> >
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004594PinknBlue-w.jpg.html
>> >
>>
>> And as with film, you'll usually want to keep bright light sources
>> out of the frame  :-)
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/L1004610Crabby-w.jpg.html
>> >
>>
>> I have a 90mm Elmarit, but on the M8 I've only shot test pictures of
>> soup cans and cereal boxes with it to test focus.  They look about
>> like what it looked like on film--a bit dreamy at f/2.8, nice
>> portrait quality at f/4, and tack-sharp at f/8.
>>
>> From what I've heard, 90mm lenses are the most difficult to get
>> right on the M8.  The M8's tighter tolerances are amplified by the
>> relatively long focal length. My 90mm Elmarit's focus is
>> significantly off on the M8. For outdoors, I have been using a CV
>> 90/3.5 Lanthar that focuses perfectly.  On the M8, a 90 is more like
>> a 135mm is with film.  It's great for distant scenics, but for 4-15
>> feet away, you might find a 50 or a 75 more to your liking.
>>
>> I have no experience with the 35/2.8 Summaron.
>>
>> I believe you are, like me, a 50mm kind of guy with film, so you may
>> find that you are a 35mm kind of guy with the M8.  If that's the
>> case, you might want to pick up a non-aspheric 35mm Summicron. That
>> might very well become your normal lens on the M8, if as Len says,
>> the Summaron doesn't have quite enough contrast.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> --"Major General" Peter
>>
>> At 02:44 PM 12/8/2008 -0800, Leonard wrote:
>>> You will love the 50/2 rigid Summicron on the M8. While it is lower
>>> in contrast then the Summilux Asph for instance, I find it's very
>>> smooth and detailed. Photos taken with it are wonderful. There are a
>>> few on list that use it all the time.
>>>
>>> I can't speak of the 35/2.8 Summaron but I did test two very clean
>>> 3.5 versions (LTM and M version with goggles) just yesterday. The M8
>>> brutally shows their very low contrast. They can be made to look fair
>>> by using the auto levels feature in Photoshop but without
>>> manipulation I wouldn't use them.
>>>
>>> I have never used the other two lenses.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Len
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello friends,
>>> >
>>> > What a coincidentally useful time to return LUG-wise! I'm finally
>>> > considering an M8 or M8.2; would wish to use 35/2,8 Summaron, 50/2
>>> > Rigid Summicron, 25/4 CV Skopar and 90,2,8 Elmarit (the 5-glass
>>> > 1958 rendition). Any comments/opinions on good or bad imaging with
>>> > any of these on an M8? Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Best to all,
>>> >
>>> > Seth
>>
>>
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Replies: Reply from luisripoll at telefonica.net (Lluis Ripoll) ([Leica] M-lenses on M8)
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