Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/04

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Subject: [Leica] The Family of Man II
From: kididdoc at (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu Dec 4 07:02:37 2008
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On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> This is what is really disappointing about Leica. The products are  
> great, but everything around it, i.e. marketing, customer service  
> etc., leaves a lot to be desired. This is a case in point: here they  
> had a coffee table book produced by Leica enthusiasts all over the  
> world, free to use in their marketing as they wish, and instead they  
> prefer the mediocre shit you describe (also frequently seen in the  
> pages of LFI, that is why I cancelled my subscription a few years  
> ago).
> Likewise their alleged pre-sales: you may remember a couple of weeks  
> ago I complained about not getting a response to some M8-related  
> questions e-mailed to them; well, more than 2 weeks later, still no  
> response. In the meantime I have received answers from fellow  
> LUGgers, but that is beside the point. A potential buyer for your  
> flagship product asks a couple of simple question and the company  
> just ignores him? Strange sales tactics indeed.

they are clearly in over their heads...

like the one about the swan....

"calm, cool, and collected above water...

paddling like hell underneath"....

> Cheers,
> Nathan
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> Books:
> Blog:
> On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:33 PM, H&ECummer wrote:
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:55:00 +0100
>>> From: Nathan Wajsman <>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The Family of Man II on a Spanish Newspaper
>>> To: Leica Users Group <>
>>> This is excellent, LLuis, although it would have been nice if the
>>> article talked a bit more about the book as such and not just one
>>> particular photo. But better than nothing!
>>> As for LFI and Leica, I think Alastair tried to get them  
>>> interested in
>>> some way but with no luck. I guess their marketing department was  
>>> busy
>>> dreaming up new Special Editions at the time.
>>> Saludos,
>>> Nathan
>> Hi Nathan,
>> I approached Stephen Lee about FOM II and introduced Alastair to him.
>> Alastair made a presentation about it to Stephen and then nothing  
>> happened.
>> I wrote to Stephen pointing out that the photographs in the foyer  
>> of the Solms
>> office did not emphasize the image quality that Leica lenses were  
>> capable of producing.
>> (They were in fact out of focus grainy swirls of sh*t). Stephen did  
>> find the time to
>> write back to me that it was Leica policy to allow creative vision  
>> to the photographers
>> they worked with. But there was never any response to Alastair's  
>> presentation.
>> Very strange in my opinion.
>> Keep those Alicante pictures coming by the way.
>> Cheers
>> Howard
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