Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/23

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Subject: [Leica] Lightroom 2.1, M8 profiles
From: hoppyman at (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Thu Oct 23 03:44:53 2008
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Forgot to add. The difference using the new camera matching profile for the
M8 is HUGE if you have reds and oranges, for example a sunset cloud shot.
Also these profiles are specifically NOT to emulate jpeg defaults.


-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: [Leica] Lightroom 2.1, M8 profiles

 Ok some new information. ACR 5.1 is now released. You need CS4 to use ACR 5
& above.
You can now download beta 2 versions  of the camera profiles Quotes from
Adobe of course. These include Adobe Standard camera profile which are
designed to improve colour rendering  compared to the last versions. For the
M8 that is ACR4.4 "especially in reds, oranges, and yellows. In some cases,
deep saturated reds with our earlier profiles came out undersaturated and/or
orange-ish. This issue has been fixed with the new AS profiles without
adversely affecting skin tones." 
That sounds great to me for the M8. 
CM  Camera Matching camera profile "These profiles match the color
appearance produced by the camera vendors' software, under specific settings
(described below). They are intended for photographers who appreciate the
workflow and toolset provided by CR / LR but prefer the color rendering
provided by the camera vendors' own software." 
Similar to Capture One for the M8??? 
And a PE  DNG Profile Editor which will let you customise any profile if you
are extremely critical (cool!)

All of that sounds like another good reason to upgrade to CS4 if you are a
Photoshop user. There are some large, if non-obvious improvements in the way
it implements adjustments especially, as well as a stack of interface
improvements. Personally I'm very impressed. Try a trial download????


-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Hopkinson []
Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2008 16:38
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Lightroom 2.1, M8 profiles

Nathan these profiles are related to the particular camera design's
rendition of colour and tone against a standard (colour range and
This is different to the modes offered for jpegs, meant to simulate
particular 'looks'.
As an example an individual profile can be made using the same standard
conditions for each of multiple and disparate camera types. Theoretically
the output would then be identical from each camera (say a Canon, Nikon etc)
A profile made for your camera type could be used by your Raw converter to
allow for the way a nominal E3 responds to light.
Of course any adjustments to your Raw file are simply using that profile as
your starting point.
As a practical example, the M8 purportedly records reds differently from
other sensors.
Adobe Camera Raw implements this profile business differently to other Raw
converters and apparently LR2.1, hence my extra interest in Tina's use of
the new profile. I understood the engine of both LR and ACR to be identical.
ACR uses instead two standard generic profiles for each supported camera
type, made using a standard color checker at two different temperatures.
All profiles assume that the individual camera is close to the nominal
profile for the camera model. Some makes apparently vary more widely then
others. In that instance, for really critical applications you need a
calibration done by performing the profiling with your specific camera.


-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Leica] Lightroom 2.1, M8 profiles

How useful are those profiles? On the web site it is stated:

Profiles essentially recalibrate an image's basic colors to better match
camera settings, such as portrait, neutral, standard, and landscape, and
using them can make it easier to match the punchier, more saturated JPEG
images that cameras often produce.

Well, my E3 does not have "modes" like landscape or portrait, and I am not
really interested in punchier, more saturated images (and if I am for a
particular image, I can easily change the settings in LR to achieve that).
And of course, I shoot RAW. So what exactly would these profiles do for me?

At this point a hypothetical question since it also says that there are no
profiles for E3 yet. But it would still be nice to know.


Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain


On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:40 PM, Tina Manley wrote:

> LUG:
> Adobe announced Lightroom 2.1 upgrade today with support for M8 
> profiles.
> Tina
> Tina Manley

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Message from photo at (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Lightroom 2.1, M8 profiles)