Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/19

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Subject: [Leica] software licensing question
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Sun Oct 19 11:20:23 2008
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Steve,

I don't agree with that philosophy on Leica's part either, for the simple 
reason that I can't afford to buy a new lens for $5000.

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barbour" <kididdoc@cox.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question


>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Robert Meier wrote:
>
>>
>> Steve,   I was just offering another translation of aber Masse kann 
>> Klasse night ersetzen.   Bob
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Robert Meier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quantity can't replace quality.
>
> hi Bob, I follow and I couldn't agree more with this truism, but being 
> practical too, my response would be the same.
> The strategy that Leica is following has nothing to do with me, and 
> fulfilling my own needs.
> While it may work, it is very risky, especially in this tough 
> international economic climate, and it may well be a rocky road to 
> disaster for the company.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> nice thought, but it can and it will if it becomes so unaffordable 
>>> that it will go out of business...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" 
>>>> <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au
>>>> >
>>>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:46 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] software licensing question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, that's a pretty negative take on it! There is a whole  speech  in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> middle dealing with the new S system. There are also several  superb 
>>>>> new M
>>>>> lenses. I thought that Leica had a very good Photokina myself. I   was 
>>>>> just
>>>>> taken with the German alliteration of Masse-Klasse especially. I 
>>>>> read the
>>>>> translation of the speech from the original German with Google 
>>>>> translate,
>>>>> since my smattering of high school German is definitely not up  to 
>>>>> the task
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt.
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Steve Barbour
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 09:06
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Literally - high-volume production is no alternative to high-class
>>>>>> production - The R10 is on its way
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> nothing like making the apology before the camera...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep on  upgrading, I really hope that you mean CS3 and CS4! I
>>>>>>>> have my
>>>>>>>> preorder in for CS4.
>>>>>>>> Check the upgrade options, often upgrades from earlier cost no
>>>>>>>> more than
>>>>>>>> from the current(at least for a period). Or you can get the
>>>>>>>> current suite
>>>>>>>> with a free upgrade to the latest when it hits the streets.
>>>>>>>> I have a melange of suites and upgrades and components here.  My PS
>>>>>>>> CS3
>>>>>>>> baulked at upgrading the PS part of my CS2 suite but was happy  to
>>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>>> serial number of my earlier stand alone CS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, I initially thought of CS4 as primarily a means of
>>>>>>>> moving to the
>>>>>>>> latest Raw support. However when you dive in it looks to have a
>>>>>>>> lot of very
>>>>>>>> good improvements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please tell us a little about these if you would Geoff...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> also what does the German phrase below mean, why in German?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt.
>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> lug
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 01:38
>>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aah, the fine print.  Thanks Brian!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Brian Reid wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. That is in violation of the Terms and Conditions in the 
>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>> contract.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so if i buy an upgrade for photoshop 4,  can i sell my upgrade
>>>>>>>>>> version of photoshop 3 to someone who wants to upgrade from
>>>>>>>>>> photoshop
>>>>>>>>>> 2?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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