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Subject: [Leica] Orphan Works - . A MUST READ EVERYONE! :-( DON'T CRYLATER!YOU WERE WARNED!!!
From: red735i at earthlink.net (Frank Filippone)
Date: Mon May 12 10:54:15 2008
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Don.. I still don't get it.....

Under current law, any image you take is protected.
Under future proposal, you must register the work to be protected.  For $45
you could register ALL your past works, and for $45 you could "update" that
list.  Not big bucks.

You still have the right to sue.. although it sounds like less per
image..... 
And you have the right to collect.... if you can actually open the wallet
and get the cash out....and I suspect the $300K you quoted is a maximum
allowed, and how many of THOSE recently created photographic images get
awarded or Paid?

Tina has made some comments that under certain use provisions  (
educational, editorial,, and one I just keep forgetting ) that protections
is no longer available under the proposal.  I think that is BS.  Especially
if you are a PJ.... there goes your job  ( as with wedding photographers,
there is no market any more....)  But this is a small ( but verbal) group of
the entire population of photographers, pro and amateur.  It is the overall
protection of the population in general that need to be used to decide, not
the special interests......

It seems to me still that the protection is for the new system, the cash to
be paid upon judgement is bigger in the old system......and since it is
doubtful you will actually collect anything if you do sue, and win, it seems
the you should be pushing for more protection, not the issue of less bucks
if you sue.....

Am I getting more understanding, or am I off base?  If off base, please
correct....

Who do you refer to as the "rich and powerful"?  Mr Gates/Corbis?  Who would
have an awful lot to lose if all this were really an issue......

In fact, what does Corbis or other big legitimate agencies think about all
this?  Are they for stealing images and charging users a fee and sticking it
to the creators?  

I am not arguing, I am trying to understand..... Why or Why not is this a
good bill... I see the good part... where is the bad part?  ( apart from my
comments above for the Tina position).

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net




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