Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/12/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Philippe, The easiest way to get a flavour is through the many reincarnations of "Shakti", which is a sort of East-West fusion actually, but Zakir Hussain on the Tabla, and U.Srinivas on the mandolin are full fledged certified musical geniuses. I hear them here often, because John Mclaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Miles Davis, etc.etc.) has been on and off here learning advanced Carnatic music over the last 2 years or so. They are playing South Indian Classical or "Carnatic" style. The other is the North Indian Classical, or "Hindustani". An unexpected advantage is that if your ears get used to this type of music, then John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman and their ilk will make perfect sense. This is an absolutely brilliant concert: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6430258844891880760 Alto Sax, Carnatic Style: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2885916593662038132&q=gopalnath&total=10&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 Two masters of Hindustani music, playing about Kashmir, Shivkumar Sharma is a Kashmiri, and plays a modified folk instrument, the santoor, which is an ancestor to the zither: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=654251892554096821&q=Shivkumar+Sharma&total=53&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 These are, I think the easiest to start with. The high point of Indian classical music is vocal, but I think it is more of an acquired taste, remember the usual exposition of a raga would take upward of an hour at least: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=712964157966482685&q=Jasraj&total=112&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4 We are actually in the middle of our music season, which is from end November to early January, and IMHO is the greatest yearly cultural event in the world, and its been going on longer than I care to remember. Take a peep at the concert schedules to see what I mean.: http://www.kutcheribuzz.com/decseason2007/default.asp http://www.kutcheribuzz.com/decseason2007/schedules.asp Another fusion CD which is fantastic, and a Grammy winner is: http://www.amazon.com/Meeting-River-Cooder-V-M-Bhatt/dp/B000005L9Z/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1197513839&sr=1-1 If you need more info, get in touch offline Cheers Jayanand On Dec 13, 2007 4:11 AM, Philippe Orlent <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: > Hi Jayanand, > Although very rare, there are things that seem to appeal to every > culture. > Mostly ancient art, but still. > Any examples of Indian classical music? I'm really interested to > discover. > Philippe > > > Op 12-dec-07, om 03:31 heeft Jayanand Govindaraj het volgende > geschreven: > > > I do not believe that any art is universal - most art is a > > reflection of the > > society that produced it. It becomes sort of universal because we > > become > > familiar with that culture. Music is similar - how many on this > > list are in > > a position to appreciate Indian classical music, even though the > > general > > culture is somewhat familiar? > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2007 11:29 PM, Philippe Orlent <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> > > wrote: > > > >> I do believe that there is some art that is universal. > >> And analysing one's feelings post the initial event that caused them > >> always reveals alot. For future actions f.i. > >> Because of my job (influencing mass behaviour) it became an > >> instinctive reflex. > >> It all starts with never ceising to ask 'why'? > >> > >> Philippe > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Op 11-dec-07, om 01:40 heeft Don Dory het volgende geschreven: > >> > >>> Philippe, > >>> By definition, art is an attempt to reach your soul; bypass the > >>> analytical > >>> part of our thinking. Also, art will not be universal: what > >>> reaches me may > >>> leave you cold. So, Jackson Pollack does nothing for me but Braque > >>> and > >>> Matisse sing for me. Likewise I can spend hours looking at Moore's > >>> bronzes > >>> and learn about myself but many Rodin's just leave a shadow in the > >>> grass. > >>> > >>> So yes, art is only practical as it brings us to places we could > >>> not get to > >>> without a little help from someone else's vision. People could > >>> go on > >>> without art, it just would be a lot grayer. > >>> > >>> On Dec 8, 2007 12:10 PM, Philippe Orlent > >>> <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Following that principle: no rococo, no art nouveau, art deco, no > >>>> Pollock, no Braque, Matisse, ... > >>>> I love Bauhaus, but Bauhaus was developed for practical purposes. > >>>> Art does not have to be practical. > >>>> Philippe > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Op 8-dec-07, om 17:39 heeft Lottermoser George het volgende > >>>> geschreven: > >>>> > >>>>> For me the term indicates a use of clever or cunning devices or > >>>>> expedients, for their own sake; above the desire or need to > >>>>> express > >>>>> from the heart and soul; or the need to express thoughts or ideas > >>>>> which "ring true." > >>>>> > >>>>> The dictionary suggests "esp. as used to trick or deceive others," > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't know if I'd go that far in my personal definition of the > >>>>> term. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Bauhaus principle of "form follows function" stuck with me as > >>>>> student and ever since. Ornament for its own sake does not appeal > >>>>> to me. For me, artifice stands very close to ornament. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> George Lottermoser > >>>>> george@imagist.com > >>>>> www.imagist.com > >>>>> Picture A Week - www.imagist.com/paw_07 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Dec 7, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Philippe Orlent wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Does artifice mean the same as untrue, then? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>> information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>> information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Don > >>> don.dory@gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >