Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/08/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]> -------------- Original message from "Luis Ripoll" > <luisripoll@telefonica.net>: -------------- > > >> Hi Peter, >> >> I've found really interesting your arguments, but beside all the >> mentionned >> points, for me it remain one point, the format. I want to use my >> lenses >> on the original focal lenght. I hope, and I think that Leica will >> made a 1:1 >> format in the future. Luis...suggest, buy it now... and use a 35... pretend it's a 50... Steve >> >> >> Saludos cordiales >> Luis >> >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org >> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En >> nombre de >> Peter Klein >> Enviado el: jueves, 30 de agosto de 2007 20:04 >> Para: lug@leica-users.org >> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Re: M8 problems >> >> >> Larry: >> >> Sounds like you really have two issues: >> >> - Do I need digital at all? >> - Do I need (or want) an M8? >> >> Digital is convenient. Digital has less dynamic range than >> negative film, >> but ISO for ISO, it's cleaner than most film. You don't buy film and >> processing, you buy a camera. >> >> I'm with Tina and George and Sonny--my M8 gives me the best image >> quality >> I've seen from a 35mm-size camera. >> >> No doubt about it, the M8 also has quirks and hidden costs that >> derive from >> those quirks. We have the IR filter/cyan drift issues and the need >> for >> coding of 35mm and wider lenses. There have been reliability >> issues with >> some cameras, particularly early models. Most of the really bad >> problems >> seem to have been fixed. >> >> But every so often, somebody's M8 fails, and we hear about it >> quickly. The >> Internet amplifies the problems, and it seems like every M8 is a >> piece of >> crap. I liken it to watching your local television news. It seems >> like >> there is a child molester on every block, and a terrorist behind >> every tree. >> But is that really the case? >> >> We can scream from today till next Tuesday about how Leica shoulda >> done this >> and oughta done that, how could they not know about the IR issue, >> and how >> dare a $5000 camera not be perfect? But the fact is that Leica is >> a small >> company, and it's trying to compete with very deep pockets from >> Japan, Inc. >> And the problems of very fast lenses and close-to-the-sensor RF >> lenses mean >> Leica has more to deal with than the DSLR makers. >> >> The real question is "what do I get for my five grand, and is it >> worth it to >> *me*? And if the thing dies, can I live with the delays while it's >> fixed. >> >> My pet peeve is that they should give us a lens selection menu. >> And I am >> annoyed about the focus shift issues--they are not as bad as some >> people >> make them, but they are real. >> >> I knew about all the issues except focus shift, and I still bought >> the >> camera. I waited 6 months until it looked like the major teething >> pains had >> been fixed. I'm not rich, I still can't believe how much the damn >> thing >> cost, and I am still very happy I bought it. >> >> No one can guarantee that you will get a perfect,trouble-free M8. >> But it is >> telling that most of the people here who have M8s love them, and >> even those >> who have had failures want them back so they can shoot with them. >> I've been lucky so far, no major problems. I'm still fine-tuning my >> shooting to find the sweet spot between blown highlights and too >> much shadow >> noise. My own feelings are about 5% occasional buyer's remorse and >> 95% "I >> LOVE this camera." >> >> Only you can decide if you want an M8. The way you're talking, >> film works >> for you, you don't need the immediacy of digital most of the time. If >> that's the case, why switch? OTOH, if you are interested in exploring >> digital while maintaining the same control layout and general >> shooting style >> as you did with Ms and manual SLRs, then the M8 is worthy of >> consideration. >> If the M8 is not your cup of tea but you want a good, affordable >> high-quality digital, consider the Pentax K10D or the Olympus >> E-510, both >> very worthy shooter's cameras. >> >> But if you love RF shooting and the way Leica lenses draw images, >> the M8 is >> the only digital game in town. It takes some work and adjustment >> to get the >> highest quality of which the M8 is capable. But it can be done, >> and when >> you get it, it is incredible. You can argue that Brand C gives >> cleaner high >> ISO images, but not at the level of detail the M8 gives. >> >> I'm shooting more with my M8 than I ever did with film. I have >> touched my >> E-1 and my film Ms each exactly once since I got the M8 5 months >> ago--the >> E-1 for a macro shot and the film M for a classical concert. That >> ought to >> tell you something. >> >> Reverse peer pressure: Regardless of what you decide, you and your >> photos >> are always welcome around here! >> >> --Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information