Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/04/19

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Subject: [Leica] integrity ?
From: chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich)
Date: Thu Apr 19 07:52:15 2007
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070418162814.022ec5c8@pop.med.cornell.edu> <C24C4455.AD7D%lug@steveunsworth.co.uk>

  I blame the general anesthesia from my cataract surgery it made me cranky 
yesterday.


At 04:55 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
>Chris, I can't see any anger in the thread, just a discussion of personal
>preference.
>
>Steve
>
>
>On 18/4/07 21:49, "Chris Saganich" <chs2018@med.cornell.edu> wrote:
>
> > I feel guilty when cropping an image for heavens sake, but not moving
> > things around before taking a shot, if I can.  What does it matter either
> > way?  Why should subtle changes in an image provoke such anger?  It 
> > doesn't
> > change the reality of whatever the situation is, won't prevent millions
> > from starvation or murder, not likely to cause millions to be murdered, 
> > or
> > starved.  May change our perception about who we think we are. And what's
> > more important then that these days?  Perhaps we have become sensitive to
> > having our perceptions manipulated.  We should all go back and read 
> > Edward
> > Bernaise and Walter Lippman's   instructional works on propaganda in a
> > democracy.
> >
> > At 02:48 PM 4/18/2007, you wrote:
> >> But would you move something in the foreground? Say a cup on a table 
> >> that
> >> was cluttering the image. I know I've moved rubbish bins in the past 
> to get
> >> a shot :-), but then I'd never claim to be a documentary shooter, just a
> >> part time snapper.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> On 18/4/07 01:39, "Tina Manley" <images@comporium.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?  Does previsualization mean that the photograph
> >>> was manipulated subconsciously?  I don't think so. I might imagine a
> >>> photo that I would like to take of a family in Central America, but
> >>> that would only mean that I would only look for situations to take
> >>> that photo.  I would never move people into position or change
> >>> circumstances to make the photo happen when it wouldn't have without
> >>> my being there.  Moving people into position or suggesting situations
> >>> or adding lights or manipulating photographs in the darkroom goes way
> >>> beyond previsualization, to me, and would not be acceptable for
> >>> documentary or news photographs.  I think many so-called documentary
> >>> photographs today should be reclassified as art photographs if the
> >>> situations were manipulated or directed by the photographer.  That is
> >>> not documentary or news photography.
> >>
>
>
>
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