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Subject: [Leica] Best flash for M8?
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Wed Dec 27 10:51:12 2006

Doug, you are nothing if not utterly predictable. ;-)


On 12/27/06 1:11 PM, "telyt@earthlink.net" <telyt@earthlink.net> wrote:

> It's simple B.D., don't shove emotions or attitudes into my words.  The
> reality check is yours, are you projecting your own emotions onto others?
> Shove your projections elsewhere.
> 
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: B. D. Colen bd@bdcolenphoto.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:48:23 -0500
> To: lug@leica-users.org
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Best flash for M8?
> 
> 
> I hardly consider that an "accusation," or a slur for that matter - I 
> wonder
> why you do - Reality Check 101.
> 
> 
> On 12/27/06 11:04 AM, "telyt@earthlink.net" <telyt@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> B.D., I don't appreciate being labelled as one who is
>> "worrying about the 'film-vs.-digital' issue".  Please either substantiate
>> this accusation or keep your planting emotions in others' words to
> yourself.
>> 
>> If you cannot substantiate such accusations then don't make them.
>> Journalism 101.
>> 
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: B. D. Colen bd@bdcolenphoto.com
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:56:31 -0500
>> To: lug@leica-users.org
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Best flash for M8?
>> 
>> 
>> Doug, there are people using film, and people using digital. There are
> also
>> people who recognize the foolishness of calling the flash system for
> digital
>> a "work around," and who recognize that that kind of thinking is based on
>> the belief that real photography=film - whether or not one has sprung for
> a
>> DMR - and anything else is a "work around." Film is film; digital is
>> digital. There is high speed, add-on lighting designed to work with the
>> requirements of film, and high speed, add-on lighting designed to work
> with
>> the requirements of digital. Designers of things digital no more have to
>> "work around" issues related to the sensor, than designers of things film
>> had to "work around" the slit of the focal plane shutter, or the
> particular
>> sensitivities of film - they designed FOR them.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/27/06 8:28 AM, "Douglas Herr" <telyt@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> B.D., being the respected and experienced word-journalist that you are,
>>> you no doubt know how to research the facts to back up your statements.
>>>   How about you research the LUG archives and point out to us where I
>>> indicated that I'm "worrying about the 'film-vs.-digital' issue"?
>>> 
>>> The fact is that there are people using film, there are people using
>>> digital, some use both and some have used one and not the other.  From
>>> the perspective of many people on this list TTL flash on a digital
>>> camera is unfamiliar.  The camera and flash makers had to work around
>>> the sensor reflectance issue before TTL flash would work reliably.
>>> 
>>> Doug Herr
>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2006, at 7:58 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The fact that it's a work around would only be 'relevant' to someone
>>>> still
>>>> worrying about the 'film v. digital'  issue. The point is that it
>>>> works.
>>>> It's not a 'work around,' it's simply the way flash now works with
>>>> cameras.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/26/06 10:30 PM, "Douglas Herr" <telyt@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> what was this supposed to mean, B. D.?  It's a work-around no matter
>>>>> who does it and not the real-time TTL flash that works with film
>>>>> cameras.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2006, at 6:58 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, and Col. Sanders have figured out these
>>>>>> "work
>>>>>> arounds," so I assume that the superb German engineers who designed
>>>>>> the M8
>>>>>> have as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/26/06 11:54 AM, "telyt@earthlink.net" <telyt@earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  M-TTL flash technology ensures natural flash
>>>>>>>>  illumination through the activation of a
>>>>>>>>  metering pre-flash.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is the sort of work-around I was thinking of.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>>>> 
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