[Leica] Capture One with M8

[hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)]

Alastair, actually there's a clue in your response. "I often went to bed 
happy and woke up
miserable as all the images I'd printed would look "cast" in the morning". 
You very likely viewed the print (or monitor) under
different lighting conditions. Unless you have a calibrated viewing light 
(area) colour is always going to be subjective and
influenced by outside factors. Pardon me if I'm stating the bleeding 
obvious. Interesting point that I hadn't considered before is
that digital capture is more like colour neg regarding subjective colour, 
although probably more tranny like regarding exposure? 
Now regarding Tina's samples, Tina has sampled the white sail area in each, 
setting that as nearly pure white, that is the three
channels each close to the maximum value. Those values being equal or close, 
there is little or no colour cast in the highlights.
Ideally you could perform the same channel neutralising for the black point 
and mid grey (if you can select a mid grey point in the
file).
I agree, regarding the colour temperature of the samples. To my eye, the acr 
version is warmer (appears more yellow) and the Phase
One cooler (more bluish). My view would be that correcting either to taste 
would not be difficult. Not at all surprising that each
prog has interpreted the file differently. Really I think that the major 
difference is in saturation. On my (calibrated) monitor the
Phase One example appears over saturated. More importantly, as Tina said, I 
think both progs have done a creditable job and produced
very usable files that can be adjusted, just as any image with good tonal 
range and resolution can be. There is a whole other thread
probably regarding the bit depth of those DNGs. It makes a big difference 
very likely, when you start messing with the tonal range.
Cheers
I love Photoshop
Hoppy

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Alastair Firkin
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:47
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: RE: [Leica] Capture One with M8

> Tina, that's an informative sample. Both seem to have done a creditable
> job, on casual observation. The capture one example is
> clearly more saturated. The white point that you have set in each is very
> close to the other, that is, little apparent cast. The acr
> example looks actually to be a more pleasing (natural?) rendition to me.
> For me, the ACR seems an attractive option in that there is
> great integration for photoshop users. I have no experience with any other
> however.
> Thanks so much for sharing all of this stuff. Many LUG members are
> learning a great deal from your posts so far.
> Cheers
> Hoppy

Colour is a bugger: I have struggled for YEARS in the darkroom. One man's
balance is anothers disaster. I often went to bed happy and woke up
miserable as all the images I'd printed would look "cast" in the morning
light. Its the same with digital: here the capture one image looks warm to
me like afternoon light and the ACR is colder more middayish. Both are
real only on the monitor and may not reflect reality at all!!!

Cheers


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