Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/09/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Nietzsche said we should live with the intensity of a child a play :-) T.S. Elliot was a banker and publishing executive. Poetry was his avocation, not his profession. But I'll take Elliot over some hack journalist's writing any day of the week. Scott bernardo feio wrote: >Hi > >For me a "toy" is some thing to "play"! A car, a boat or a camera! I don't >want to be depreciative but want to separate professionals from some one who >uses some kind of equipment for a hobby. > >I only would like that M's and especially the new future models would fulfil >the need of a professional but with out changing M personality... > >B regards from Portugal > > > > > >-----Mensagem original----- >De: lug-bounces+bernardofeio=yahoo.com.br@leica-users.org >[mailto:lug-bounces+bernardofeio=yahoo.com.br@leica-users.org] Em nome de >grduprey@mchsi.com >Enviada: quinta-feira, 21 de Setembro de 2006 3:21 >Para: Leica Users Group >Assunto: RE: [Leica] Professional Leica Users? > >I don't buy that, hobbyists also use pro cameras, or cameras used by pros >also. Does that by his definition also make them toys? In fact I would >venture that hobbyists probably buy more pro cameras than pros do. Seems a >photo mag said that once. > >Gene > >-------------- Original message from "Philip Forrest" ><photo.forrest@earthlink.net>: -------------- > > > > >>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the gentleman used the term "toy" >> >> >as > > >>a hobbyist item, not a piece of gear that a pro photog would use for most >> >> >of > > >>their livelihood. This has nothing to do with the durability of the >>cameras, hardly. I took my M4 and M2 to Iraq and both performed flawlessly >> >> > > > >>when my Nikon digital wouldn't even turn on (above 115 degrees.) The >> >> >Leicas > > >>are as durable as ever & nothing else can really compare besides an old >>rugged film body such as a Nikon F2. The reasoning behind the discussion >>here is that there's too much cost and time when shooting film. It's >> >> >mostly > > >>relegated to the hobbyist and fine art shooters. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: lug-bounces+photo.forrest=earthlink.net@leica-users.org >>[mailto:lug-bounces+photo.forrest=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf >> >> > > > >>Of grduprey@mchsi.com >>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:31 PM >>To: Leica Users Group >>Subject: Re: [Leica] Professional Leica Users? >> >>I guess I wonder why you call it a toy. A toy implies it is something you >>would give to a child or something that is not expected to last. The M >>camera of today are every bit as rugged as those of years gone by, and >> >> >just > > >>as usable. It may not have all the baubles and extras as say the Canon 1Ds >> >> > > > >>MkII, but it has all you need to do the job. Yes it is expensive, but so >> >> >is > > >>the Canon, in fact several Canons fit into this price range, as well as at >> >> > > > >>least one Nikon. Do you consider them also toys? >> >>Gene >> >>-------------- Original message from bernardo feio >>: -------------- >> >> >> >> >>>I know that this doesn?t take us any were but don?t you think that it?s >>> >>> >a > > >>shame >> >> >>>that M Leica gear is almost a toy and not a tool has it was supposed to >>> >>> >>be? >> >> >>>If Leica turns only to be an expensive toy I will be very sad! >>> >>>So photo professionals what is missing to M to make it a toll again? >>> >>>B regards from Portugal >>>Bernardo feio >>> >>> >>>Will von Dauster escreveu: While I've almost never >>>used Ms exclusively, they used to be my >>>cameras of choice for event coverage and on-site, in-context >>>portraiture, as well as various other applications. I also miss them, >>>and look forward to hearing how the M8 performs as shipped. >>> >>>Will von Dauster >>> >>>USDOC/NOAA >>> >>>On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:30 AM, Tina Manley wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>At 06:06 AM 9/20/2006, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi >>>>> >>>>>How many of us "leica users" are professional photographers (and >>>>>live from taking pictures) use Leica M equipment for work? And >>>>>from those that are professional and don't use M equipment how >>>>>many will start using the M8? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I'm a professional photographer who used to use M's exclusively but >>>>I now use Canon's exclusively. I'm still looking forward to >>>>getting the M8 so I can use all of those wonderful M lenses which >>>>are gathering dust on my shelves. The Canon 1DMII is a monster to >>>>carry around, especially with the 85/1.2 attached. The M8 with a >>>>Noctilux will be much easier to carry. I'm just hoping that the >>>>high ISO's will be as good as Canon's. >>>> >>>>Tina >>>> >>>>Tina Manley, ASMP, NPPA >>>>http://www.tinamanley.com >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Yahoo! Acesso Gr?tis - Internet r?pida e gr?tis. Instale o discador >>> >>> >agora! > > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Voc? quer respostas para suas perguntas? Ou voc? sabe muito e quer >compartilhar seu conhecimento? Experimente o Yahoo! 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