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Subject: [Leica] Chernobyl Legacy
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Wed Apr 26 06:47:15 2006
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Marc:

I've finally managed to do it, I've made you sound like a "commie". :-D 

Marc James Small wrote:

>At 10:43 PM 4/25/06 -0400, Walt Johnson wrote:
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>>Marc:
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>>For all their inept engineering ability the Russians did manage to beat 
>>us into space. They  were lucky to steal more Nazi scientists than we did.
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>Walt
>
>That is both a cheap shot and untrue.  The Soviets had a really sound
>scientific base and the history of science is replete with fine Russian
>names indicating the depth of their capacity -- one of the finest of late
>Tsarist composers, for instance, was also a world-class chemist.  And
>Soviet engineering was not inept, either.  The problem with the Soviets was
>a horrid economic system which allowed very little capitalization for the
>exploitation of scientific advances.
>
>Of the German scientists and engineers who chose to leave Germany, and many
>did not, the US obtained the services of approximately 2/3 of them under
>OPERATION PAPERCLIP, and the British got most of the rest -- the British
>managed to score all of the German atomic scientists save for two or three
>who fell into the hands of the Soviets, while the US got most of the
>rocketry engineers.  In the end, very few went East save for a few who were
>dedicated Communists or who were junior enough to recognize that they would
>do better in the Soviet Union than in the West.  And, of course, the West
>got all of the senior optical scientists from Carl Zeiss Jena save for
>Ernst Wandersleb, and that issue is a bit complex:  Wandersleb had been
>removed by the Nazis from Zeiss as his wife was Jewish.  After the end of
>the War -- and, yes, she survived, thanks to the head of Zeiss, Heinz
>K?ppenbender, and the intervention at his request of Speer -- the two Zeiss
>entities offered him employment and a full pension as he chose, and he
>elected to remain at Jena, and retired in 1957.  (Wandersleb had served as
>the chief assistant to Rudolph in the development of the Tessar, later
>reworked it to allow it to be widened to f/2.8, then developed the Biotar
>design and, finally, instructed his own chief assistant, Hans Sauer, to
>recompute Rudolph's six-element Planar in light of lens coatings, leading
>to the genesis of today's bevy of Planar five-element designs.)
>
>So, no, the Soviets did quite a bit on their own, and the US got the lion's
>share of German scientists.
>
>Marc
>
>msmall@aya.yale.edu 
>Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!
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